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Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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This is a great and very necessary law. Do you want fotage of your 3 year old playing in an inflated pool in your back yard to end up on pedo.net because you didn't put a cammo net over your back yard? Parrot drones are super fun, but it isn't hard to play with them responsibly.

> Do you want fotage of your 3 year old playing in an inflated pool in your back yard to end up on pedo.net because you didn't put a cammo net over your back yard? Where does one acquire such an extreme level of paranoia? I mean, seriously...

> Where does one acquire such an extreme level of paranoia? I mean, seriously...

Reddit, from before they deleted Violentacrez's subreddits.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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Seems as though the title is not specific enough. It should read "Texas Businesses Declare War on Drones".

Yet another case of moneyed interests exerting direct control over the proletariat's freedoms. Yay Fascism.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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As both a libertarian and tech junkie, I have serious concerns about the use of drone surveillance and am excited to see the technology develop. The best I can figure, what's needed is parity in drone use. That is, whatever is good for the government should automatically be good for the citizens to do. If the government wants to use hi-res cameras to surveil a city all day long, then anybody else should be able to do…

> If the government wants to arm drones, then I should be able to arm my own drones. Surely you jest. Do you honestly think this is a valid line of reasoning?

I think this would fall under the right to bare arms, would it not. There's nothing about the second amendment that restricts arms to only those you can carry. At the end of the day, the 2nd amendment was put in place as the last line of defense against a tyrannical government. Given that motivation, would it not make sense that citizens should have at least some degree of parity with the US government. Basically enough parity on an individual level that the citizens of a country in aggregate could challenge an unjust government. I emphasized in aggregate since that is the language that ensures that one individual citizen off his rocker cannot challenge a government that he alone thinks is tyrannical. i.e. one individual can't have nuclear weaponry or advanced fighter or bomber jets or tanks, because those types of weaponry allows one citizen a disproportionate impact if they choose to bare and use their arms before drumming up consensus with fellow citizens that feel the same.

If the government can arm drones, I think citizens should have the right to arm drones up to some set quantity, like 2-4 drones. Citizens should also have the right to maintain anti-drone technology capable of shooting down any drones above their property.

You may think I'm a right-wing nut after reading that statement, but actually I spent enough time in China, especially the western part to get a feel for what happens where there is an extreme asymmetry in armaments between a government and its citizens. The Chinese province XinJiang feels like an occupied country. I imagine that Tibet felt the like an occupied country as well until the rail lines were built enabling ethnic cleansing by dilution, making the occupation less obvious than it still is in XinJiang.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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The "probable cause" exemption is bullshit. If you have probable cause, get a warrant. No patrols, no police drone leaves the ground without a warrant targeting a specific person or group.

Depending on the details, the "probable cause that someone is committing a felony" exemption is common to law enforcement. Exigent circumstances. If a police officer hears signs of a struggle in your house, he doesn't have to get a judge to sign a warrant before he kicks the door down.

But the way that gets used seems to be the officer somehow smells pot on every damn person they want to violate.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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This is a great and very necessary law. Do you want fotage of your 3 year old playing in an inflated pool in your back yard to end up on pedo.net because you didn't put a cammo net over your back yard? Parrot drones are super fun, but it isn't hard to play with them responsibly.

Fuck you. If you can come up with a problem that needs a law to protect people, you can come up with an example that doesn't consist of "Oh won't somebody think of the children"

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "probable cause" exemption is bullshit. If you have probable cause, get a warrant. No patrols, no police drone leaves the ground without a warrant targeting a specific person or group.

Depending on the details, the "probable cause that someone is committing a felony" exemption is common to law enforcement. Exigent circumstances. If a police officer hears signs of a struggle in your house, he doesn't have to get a judge to sign a warrant before he kicks the door down.

That's why I said "no patrols." A drone shouldn't just be flying around waiting to see something. It should be sent only after there is a warrant.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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As both a libertarian and tech junkie, I have serious concerns about the use of drone surveillance and am excited to see the technology develop. The best I can figure, what's needed is parity in drone use. That is, whatever is good for the government should automatically be good for the citizens to do. If the government wants to use hi-res cameras to surveil a city all day long, then anybody else should be able to do…

Does this line of logic extend to gun control? (not trolling, genuinely curious)

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the government wants to arm drones, then I should be able to arm my own drones. Surely you jest. Do you honestly think this is a valid line of reasoning?

I think this would fall under the right to bare arms, would it not. There's nothing about the second amendment that restricts arms to only those you can carry. At the end of the day, the 2nd amendment was put in place as the last line of defense against a tyrannical government. Given that motivation, would it not make sense that citizens should have at least some degree of parity with the US government. Basically eno…

In the Second Amendment, you are correct -- there is nothing limiting you to arms that you can carry. Since then, however, the Supreme Court has, on more than one occasion, defined "arms" to mean "man portable arms".

I believe this narrow definition (and FAA monitored airspace) that would prevent you from owning your own drone (even if you could build it), and is what keeps us from owning missiles, rocket launchers (even though many are in fact man-portable), etc., despite the fact that the Revolutionary War was won with cannons and ships that formed our militia and navy, all provided by the citizenry at the time.

Re: Texas Declares War on Drones

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Sadly it's not a war on drone use by any level of government, only individuals. I suspect government drones will get federal protection if people try to use them as skeet targets when they fly over their property. Countdown to when the public starts to say "oh well, what can you do, we need to be safe" (ala TSA).

Their comfortable viewing distance is something like 12,000 feet, which is almost 3 miles up. You're not likely to have anybody shooting at them because they'll never see them.

That said, I agree that people will accept their new passengerless overlords, and it'll probably start in New York.

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