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The Rise Of The Artist
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#62This talk of "right-brain" revolution has become so popular that no one even realizes the fundamental irony of it all. The fallacy that the "creative" arts have been under appreciated in society is the largest piece of bollocks I've ever heard. I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding…
> There is no physical hemispheric dominance, there are just ways of thinking. Well, those right-handed people who have had strokes in their left middle cerebral artery distribution might beg to differ on this point. However, I got this far because I found your first paragraph to be quite compelling writing.
Don't be pedantic. It's clear from the context that he meant in terms of "right-brained = creative, left-brained = analytical".
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#63This talk of "right-brain" revolution has become so popular that no one even realizes the fundamental irony of it all. The fallacy that the "creative" arts have been under appreciated in society is the largest piece of bollocks I've ever heard. I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding…
"I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding off about STEM, at schools people are still talking more about funding "the arts"." From what I understand, if you are a math teacher you virtually have a guaranteed job at many, many highschools across the nation. If you're an art teacher, go…
If you're talking about the economic prognosis of art, I'd like to direct you to the world of high-end sports cars. There are many people who can afford to buy and maintain them in this world. Not all of them do. Just like many people can afford to buy works of art, but not all of them do. Why? Because one doesn't really need a sports car, just like one doesn't really need an art piece. The author's essay isn't one of the lament of the hard times of an artist. It is a lament of the diminishing of creativity because his definition of creativity is rooted in a traditionalist idea of creativity as resting solely in the lap of artists. Before the PC revolution no one would want their kids to be programmers. "Programmers were smelly fat white kids". Now it's a hot commodity. Welcome to the markets. Mathematicians were "useless theorists" till a couple of decades ago (as a matter of fact many people still think this). Until industrialization, scientists were a bunch of "rich white guys, not in tune to the needs of the common man". And more importantly, up until recently, engineers were little math nerds, easy bait for the MBA alpha dudes.
You're confusing economic safety with societal respect. If you're talking about the economic aspect, as far as being a professional artist, well guess what; when I was a kid I wanted to be a poet. Poems wouldn't keep a roof over my head and hell, at the time, neither would code. Hasn't stopped me from writing poems in my spare time and engaging in my other pursuits. If ever a time comes when one could sustainably make money selling art, then I'm sure many artists and even non artists will flood the market. But economics isn't the author's thesis.
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#64"the importance of creativity will trump systems thinking..."
Systems ARE art. Freud was a systems designer. Religious metaphors are introspective systems.
These are systems as metaphors of the human condition.
Do they describe the human condition? No - bigger - they create it. Freud invented a lost continent that allowed us to pronounce ourselves.
As computers and consciousness continue to intersect.. great artists will be expressive, critical, abstract engineers.
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#65This talk of "right-brain" revolution has become so popular that no one even realizes the fundamental irony of it all. The fallacy that the "creative" arts have been under appreciated in society is the largest piece of bollocks I've ever heard. I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding…
"I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding off about STEM, at schools people are still talking more about funding "the arts"." From what I understand, if you are a math teacher you virtually have a guaranteed job at many, many highschools across the nation. If you're an art teacher, go…
Perhaps it's more of an issue of simple market dynamics of demand and availability than you care to paint it? Every other kid wants to do a liberal arts major, but how many want to do math? How many americans, in fact, because most I see are driven immigrant individuals taking up this baton so many americans drop in favor of studying philosophy. Both are equally important, yet not equally coveted. And that results in how many teachers we end up with, generation after generation, with a fresh degree in whatever he chose and now needing a teaching position.
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#66This talk of "right-brain" revolution has become so popular that no one even realizes the fundamental irony of it all. The fallacy that the "creative" arts have been under appreciated in society is the largest piece of bollocks I've ever heard. I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding…
> or even the swimmer (did I mention I'm learning to swim? I wholeheartedly recommend Terry Laughlin's Total Immersion technique. It emphasizes swimming like a fish, stroke length, low stroke count, zen-like being in the moment. The beginning drills emphasize basic buoyancy and balance techniques - and the arm propeller-based swimmers will look at you strange when you practice them in a public pool - but keep with it…
Thanks, I'll definitely check it out. I signed up for lessons at the local YMCA, but this could be a nice supplement. Thanks again!
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#67My brain can't do art. I have tried for 20 years. I am never happy and keep going to try and make it perfect. And I never succeed. I end up tossing it in the bin after my attempts at perfection make it look like like a mess. I like code since it works or it doesn't. Sure, it could be better but as long as it works and is secure I don't really care. And yes, 90% is using PHP.
"It works or it doesn't" suggests you either limit yourself to extraordinarily simple projects or your clients don't care what happens as long as it's not a 500. Development is not such a black and white pursuit if you're working on projects with any sort of complexity.
I'm better with programming than I am with charcoal, but I can say with certainty that while my art is hanging in a few living rooms, my code gets a lot more scrutiny (appropriately) and evolves much more. That's not because it can or should be perfect, it's because the result and the scrutiny is less subjective.
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#68This should be taken with the massive grain of salt that is the history of DA. For anyone who's been involved in it since the beginning -- I ragequit with the Jark debacle long ago -- shrugging off their particular brand of bullshit is second nature.
Don't make the mistake of thinking anything done on DA is done for art. It's done for cash. Not that that's a bad thing, but it's an important distinction, and that's the basic truth the more in-depth rebuttals here outline.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding off about STEM, at schools people are still talking more about funding "the arts"." From what I understand, if you are a math teacher you virtually have a guaranteed job at many, many highschools across the nation. If you're an art teacher, go…
Perhaps it's more of an issue of simple market dynamics of demand and availability than you care to paint it? Every other kid wants to do a liberal arts major, but how many want to do math? How many americans, in fact, because most I see are driven immigrant individuals taking up this baton so many americans drop in favor of studying philosophy. Both are equally important, yet not equally coveted. And that results in…
Nobody in America drops a math major to study philosophy. A more likely scenario is someone who can't handle the coursework to get a business degree so they end up majoring in communications.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I voluntarily teach math at a school here in MN, so i get some insight into what's going on at the schools and the fact is, while the politicians and corporations are sounding off about STEM, at schools people are still talking more about funding "the arts"." From what I understand, if you are a math teacher you virtually have a guaranteed job at many, many highschools across the nation. If you're an art teacher, go…
Perhaps it's more of an issue of simple market dynamics of demand and availability than you care to paint it? Every other kid wants to do a liberal arts major, but how many want to do math? How many americans, in fact, because most I see are driven immigrant individuals taking up this baton so many americans drop in favor of studying philosophy. Both are equally important, yet not equally coveted. And that results in…
"Every other kid wants to do a liberal arts major, but how many want to do math?"
Liberal arts major as such is quite different from an art major. Many kids do want to maybe be an English or History major and then teach. Far, far fewer want to be an art major and try to survive as an artist (or even an art teacher).
As far as math goes, maybe not all that many kids want to be mathematicians, but plenty do take a fair bit of math on their way to becoming engineers, programmers, doctors, and scientists. They all certainly take far more math courses than art courses.
Of course, few artists take many math courses, but there are far fewer art students than there are students of professions that rely on math and need a decent education in math to graduate.
"so many americans drop in favor of studying philosophy"
Oh please. There are probably fewer philosophy majors in the US who actually want to do philosophy after school than art majors (of which there are very few). There'd be even fewer overall if philosophy wasn't the number one major of students accepted in to law school. Most philosophy majors just use that major as a means to get in to law school.