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How We Treat Pets in America

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Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Somewhat ironic to find this post two links above the one about lab rats getting tortured for "science". I guess rats are uglier.

I for one find this kind of cognitive dissonance extremely upsetting and a bit perplexing. People are easily able to compartmentalize their feelings about various animals. This leads to neat little groups - food, pet, science experiment. It's very frustrating to me.

> It's very frustrating to me.

Why? We're human beings--all we do is categorize...

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Neutering in rats slightly increases lifespan of the animal. If this could be proven in dogs/cats, etc. as a more general biological phenomenon I think it'd be a great selling point for the procedure to new pet owners.

Who doesn't want their new pet to live longer?

http://www.ratbehavior.org/Neutering.htm

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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I volunteer as a canine friend at the Berkeley East Bay Humane Society and it kills me to know that for every one of the dogs that they save (no kill policy), many other dogs who are just as sweet are put down.

I've been volunteering there for a year and have never had a problem with a dog. Their population is almost exclusively pitbulls and they've all been great.

I started freelancing a few months ago and my first client was http://www.wagaroo.com The site is built with rails and ember.js. It's very MVP right now and any feedback is appreciated.

They just got started and are only working with shelters and rescues for now. Their ultimate plan is to include responsible breeders and fight the puppy mills but they are taking their time in order gain understanding and to find the best way to make it happen.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Pets are simply the sad side effect of humanity. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Pets can give their owners all kinds of health benefits, emotionally, and otherwise. Humanity isn't all bad, last I checked. I do enjoy my dog.

Sorry, allow me to clarify, the pet overpopulation problem* is simply a said side effect to humanity.

Got it ;-)!

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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It is worth noting that the campaign to make spaying and neutering required has also done considerable harm. Puppies are often spayed and neutered as young as 6 weeks, despite the numerous health problems associated with the practice. Even the standard 6 months causes significant increases in a number of health problems. We need to stop punishing our pets based on the notion that if we don't get them fixed early, the…

> You can in fact prevent your dog from having sex with other dogs.

Yes, mostly because dogs, in general, can be easily fenced in. Cats, however, are much more wily.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Do you have any sources for this? Vets and shelters I have had contact with indicate only a slight increased risk. I don't have their sources handy, but I do know they've researched the issue extensively. In general, only the more "old-fashioned" vets have qualms about early spaying and neutering. As to magic spores... well in a shelter environment if a puppy goes out intact it will likely not be fixed by the new own…

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433723 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9691849 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3506104 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202221 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15577502 http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787155 http://www.grca.org/health/bigfour_hypo.html >In g…

No, old-fashioned is not a code word for that specific test. it was the best word I could come with for a more traditional mindset vet.

Some vets agree with you and consider it unethical. Many other vets disagree.

Haven't read these all yet, but should note:

Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Because earlyage gonadectomy appears to offer more benefits than risks for male dogs, animal shelters can safely gonadectomize male dogs at a young age and veterinary practitioners should consider recommending routine gonadectomy for client-owned male dogs before the traditional age of 6 to 8 months. For female dogs, however, increased urinary incontinence suggests that delaying gonadectomy until at least 3 months of age may be beneficial. ( J Am Vet Med Assoc 2004; 224:380–387) (http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224....)

As to your dog, assuming it's adult what does early age neutering have to do with the situation?

Sounds like you're getting some heat from others about your decision to not neuter an adult male dog. That's a different debate that has nothing to do with neutering dogs at a younger age.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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post #2

Somewhat ironic to find this post two links above the one about lab rats getting tortured for "science". I guess rats are uglier.

I for one find this kind of cognitive dissonance extremely upsetting and a bit perplexing. People are easily able to compartmentalize their feelings about various animals. This leads to neat little groups - food, pet, science experiment. It's very frustrating to me.

>This leads to neat little groups

Not so neat. Some people eat dog and some have pet rats.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one find this kind of cognitive dissonance extremely upsetting and a bit perplexing. People are easily able to compartmentalize their feelings about various animals. This leads to neat little groups - food, pet, science experiment. It's very frustrating to me.

>This leads to neat little groups Not so neat. Some people eat dog and some have pet rats.

I didn't say they were universally accepted groups. Those people who have pet rats likely do not want rats being experimented on. And those people who eat dogs probably don't keep them as beloved pets.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Very happy to see this on HN. I have never understood why people are willing to purchase dogs. Between the conditions of large-scale breeders and the amount of animals waiting in shelters, it's just absurd.

Based on my own past anecdotal experiences, I favor adopting a dog from as young as possible (~8 weeks), to endeavor to have more influence over how it turns out. Most shelter dogs that I've encountered in my area are a year or more in age.

Large-scale breeders and shelters are not the only two choices; I adopted my most recent dog from a family on a farm.

Perhaps in an ideal world, no more dogs would be born until all existing dogs have a permanent home. But that seems unlikely to happen. If nobody adopts the new-born dogs, then would not they just end up in a shelter? If the blame belongs anywhere, it's on those who (at a large scale or at a small scale) breed their dogs, not on the people who adopt them.

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