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How We Treat Pets in America

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Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Sorry to be "that guy" but "dog days" has nothing to do with a summertime culling of stray dogs. It has to do with the "Dog Star", Sirius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_days This is a good article, and puppy mills (and the general unnaturalness of many dog breeds) are something more people should know about.

Hey, you're right. We updated the article with your link and clarified the original source better. Thanks for pointing that out.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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It is worth noting that the campaign to make spaying and neutering required has also done considerable harm. Puppies are often spayed and neutered as young as 6 weeks, despite the numerous health problems associated with the practice. Even the standard 6 months causes significant increases in a number of health problems. We need to stop punishing our pets based on the notion that if we don't get them fixed early, the…

"they will breed via magic or spores or something of the sort." You obviously don't understand the problem, the problem isn't with people who are responsible. The problem is with people dump there dogs on the side of the road, the people who breed there dogs because it sounded cool, or to make money and end up not being able to sell them/give them away and end up dumping them somewhere. I have never heard of "signifi…

No that's not the entire problem. The author rightfully points out the issue with buying from large scale breeders - especially when so many adoptable pets are living in shelters.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Funny this comes out, when only last week this research was released http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=1049... "Neutering, and the age at which a dog is neutered, may affect the animal’s risk for developing certain cancers and joint diseases" It is also worth checking out Nathan Winograd, who is campaigning to make ALL shelters in America no-kill. It is worth looking at the statistics and reasons why shelters kill animals in their care, as most often, it is not simply that there are not enough homes. http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=10627

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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post #8

It is worth noting that the campaign to make spaying and neutering required has also done considerable harm. Puppies are often spayed and neutered as young as 6 weeks, despite the numerous health problems associated with the practice. Even the standard 6 months causes significant increases in a number of health problems. We need to stop punishing our pets based on the notion that if we don't get them fixed early, the…

Do you have any sources for this? Vets and shelters I have had contact with indicate only a slight increased risk. I don't have their sources handy, but I do know they've researched the issue extensively. In general, only the more "old-fashioned" vets have qualms about early spaying and neutering. As to magic spores... well in a shelter environment if a puppy goes out intact it will likely not be fixed by the new own…

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10225598

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433723

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9691849

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3506104

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11202221

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15577502

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2004.224....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11787155

http://www.grca.org/health/bigfour_hypo.html

>In general, only the more "old-fashioned" vets have qualms about early spaying and neutering.

Is "old-fasioned" a code for "actually believes in that do no harm nonsense"?

>As to magic spores... well in a shelter environment if a puppy goes out intact it will likely not be fixed by the new owner

Yes, but my dog is not in a shelter, it is in my house. So the constant "you are a bad owner because your dog has testicles" bullshit really doesn't help save anyone or anything.

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Somewhat ironic to find this post two links above the one about lab rats getting tortured for "science". I guess rats are uglier.

I for one find this kind of cognitive dissonance extremely upsetting and a bit perplexing. People are easily able to compartmentalize their feelings about various animals. This leads to neat little groups - food, pet, science experiment. It's very frustrating to me.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Very happy to see this on HN. I have never understood why people are willing to purchase dogs. Between the conditions of large-scale breeders and the amount of animals waiting in shelters, it's just absurd.

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Soap box time!! -- I walk dogs at a local shelter. There is not a common breed that doesn't find it's way through our doors at some point during the year. Sure, you might not end up with a "certified" purebred that's going to win a dog show (do you really want one of those for your family anyway?), but with almost certainty, I can guarantee that you can find what you're looking for at a local shelter. There is almost…

Shelters in Massachusetts are very picky about who they adopt out to. My wife and I looked for a younger large breed dog for nearly a year, and were turned away at every local shelter because our yard wasn't fenced and we both worked full time. A few years earlier, living in an apartment disqualified us from adopting a cat in Massachusetts. We drove 3 hours to adopt a cat from New York, and 2 hours to buy a dog in New Hampshire.

Looking at petfinder for my area, the only dogs in shelters nearby are "imported" from Puerto Rico, and even those only go to homes that are worthy. I'm saddened by the conditions in shelters in other parts of the country, but I'm not going to fly to Alabama to find a dog.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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It is worth noting that the campaign to make spaying and neutering required has also done considerable harm. Puppies are often spayed and neutered as young as 6 weeks, despite the numerous health problems associated with the practice. Even the standard 6 months causes significant increases in a number of health problems. We need to stop punishing our pets based on the notion that if we don't get them fixed early, the…

"they will breed via magic or spores or something of the sort." You obviously don't understand the problem, the problem isn't with people who are responsible. The problem is with people dump there dogs on the side of the road, the people who breed there dogs because it sounded cool, or to make money and end up not being able to sell them/give them away and end up dumping them somewhere. I have never heard of "signifi…

Pets are simply the sad side effect of humanity.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Pets can give their owners all kinds of health benefits, emotionally, and otherwise. Humanity isn't all bad, last I checked. I do enjoy my dog.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they will breed via magic or spores or something of the sort." You obviously don't understand the problem, the problem isn't with people who are responsible. The problem is with people dump there dogs on the side of the road, the people who breed there dogs because it sounded cool, or to make money and end up not being able to sell them/give them away and end up dumping them somewhere. I have never heard of "signifi…

Pets are simply the sad side effect of humanity. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Pets can give their owners all kinds of health benefits, emotionally, and otherwise. Humanity isn't all bad, last I checked. I do enjoy my dog.

Sorry, allow me to clarify, the pet overpopulation problem* is simply a said side effect to humanity.

Re: How We Treat Pets in America

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Soap box time!! -- I walk dogs at a local shelter. There is not a common breed that doesn't find it's way through our doors at some point during the year. Sure, you might not end up with a "certified" purebred that's going to win a dog show (do you really want one of those for your family anyway?), but with almost certainty, I can guarantee that you can find what you're looking for at a local shelter. There is almost…

>There is not a common breed that doesn't find it's way through our doors at some point during the year.

This may very well be the case where you live, but it is not the case everywhere. In southern ontario for example, there are not many dogs at any of the shelters, and seeing anything other than lab and shepherd mixes is quite rare. If you are looking for a specific breed up here, you'll probably be looking forever.

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