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Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

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Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#11

This sucks. I was just about to pick up a bunch last week at $29. Unfortunately it's not very straightforward to obtain.

Just make a free Coinbase (YC S12) account and click the buy button. Couldn't be easier. http://i.imgur.com/Yym66Gv.png

Only if you are in the US, though.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#12

This sucks. I was just about to pick up a bunch last week at $29. Unfortunately it's not very straightforward to obtain.

Just make a free Coinbase (YC S12) account and click the buy button. Couldn't be easier. http://i.imgur.com/Yym66Gv.png

Coinbase was a giant waste of time for me. I signed up a week ago and its been a mostly crap experience. Would not recommend. Im using mtgox now and its a much more streamlined experience.

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Here was my coinbase timeline- Keep in mind I verified my account, did 2 step auth, everything. About as normal a user as possible. They make buying bitcoins near impossible.

1: Create a account and link it with a US bank. I am located in the US myself.

2: Wait 3 days to verify

3: Put in a order for a max of 10 bitcoins.

4: Wait 5 days for order to complete. You cannot order more than 10 bitcoins during this process.

5: Be told they are over capacity and have your order cancelled.

6: Go to 3

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Coinbase is only a option if you want to buy under 10 bitcoins and dont mind waiting. I wanted to buy much more than that. I wish they put up on the homepage that they only allow you to buy 10 bitcoins a day.

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Also, they say "once you are verified you can do 100 bitcoins a day" but the truth is, they do not have the supply and cannot fulfill those orders (gathered this from searching on twitter and my own experience). Also, you will need to wait a month to get this level of verification.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#13
post #2

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency since it's supply is limited. Doesn't that mean that it's expected to rise in price? This also ends up being the currency's downfall, since there's an incentive to hoard it rather than spend it.

No, because demand is also rising.

Bounded supply + rising demand = rising price, no?

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just make a free Coinbase (YC S12) account and click the buy button. Couldn't be easier. http://i.imgur.com/Yym66Gv.png

Coinbase was a giant waste of time for me. I signed up a week ago and its been a mostly crap experience. Would not recommend. Im using mtgox now and its a much more streamlined experience. . Here was my coinbase timeline- Keep in mind I verified my account, did 2 step auth, everything. About as normal a user as possible. They make buying bitcoins near impossible. 1: Create a account and link it with a US bank. I am l…

Once you complete all the verification steps you can buy 100 BTC per day, or almost $100,000 USD per month worth. It's a high-risk business they're entering, and they're seemingly targeting the commerce use case -- they want to be BitCoin's PayPal, not its forex brokerage account. Having new account limits seems reasonable to me.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#15
post #2

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency since it's supply is limited. Doesn't that mean that it's expected to rise in price? This also ends up being the currency's downfall, since there's an incentive to hoard it rather than spend it.

If the designed-in deflation works (and is widely understood), then yes, there's an incentive to hoard.

Whether that means a 'downfall' is far less clear. If Bitcoin just keeps becoming more valuable, serving a role but not circulating as much as other currencies (be they traditional or digital-of-a-post-Bitcoin-design), is that a 'downfall', or just a peculiar kind of success?

Bitcoin is like a new form of monetary/economic matter... some lessons from traditional domains may apply, but others not at all. Casual, confident pronouncements either way are silly.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#16

This sucks. I was just about to pick up a bunch last week at $29. Unfortunately it's not very straightforward to obtain.

What sucks is not knowing where your wallet is.

I have .9 of a bitcoin somewhere transferred between a Linux PC and three different phones over two or three years.

I have about $28 US somewhere.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

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post #2

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency since it's supply is limited. Doesn't that mean that it's expected to rise in price? This also ends up being the currency's downfall, since there's an incentive to hoard it rather than spend it.

> deflationary ... there's an incentive to hoard it rather than spend it.

By that logic, everyone would put their dollars into investments that beat inflation (this is a form of saving). Yet they do not. You can hold (hoard?) securities (VBLTX, HTS, JNJ) that beat inflation, yet people spend dollars on depreciating assets (cars, computers). There are other less-risky financial instruments [1] that beat nominal CPI, yet people spend dollars.

> Doesn't that mean that it's expected to rise in price?

Sure, relative to an inflationary currency. But bitcoin fluctuates quite a bit.

By they way, currency is just a good, like anything else. One trades currency for some other good that one values more than the currency [2].

[1] http://www.mint.com/blog/investing/beat-inflation-with-i-bon...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#19
The fact that Bitcoin has flourished despite numerous high profile incidents of theft and fraud, the relative difficulty associated with buying and selling them, and the rather unsavory nature of many of its most popular uses today, is a testament to its long-term viability as a currency. The Bitcoin ecosystem has a long way to go before it is considered mainstream, but I believe its long-term success is almost inevitable at this point.

The price would likely be even higher right now if Bitinstant, once one of the most popular and easy ways to obtain Bitcoins, hadn't had serious financial and technical issues over the last two weeks. Here's hoping they get their issues sorted.

Re: Bitcoin reaches an all-time trading high of over $33

#20
post #2

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency since it's supply is limited. Doesn't that mean that it's expected to rise in price? This also ends up being the currency's downfall, since there's an incentive to hoard it rather than spend it.

It leads to value instability as bubbles form and pop. In theory the total value of bit coins in circulation is not all that important to an individual however price instability is a major downside so deflation does hurt adoption.
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