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Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by mantas »

Intermernet wrote: post #340
rayiner wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X and iOS share a lot of the same core code base, so of course there is going to be cross-pollination features-wise. Why should the migration of features to solve problems common to both platforms indicate you should start worrying about Apple locking down the Mac? Guess what: when Macs get touch screens, more Launchpad is going to make more sense, and full screen is going to be even better. That doesn't mean that…

Seriously, why don't macs have touch-screens yet? Ubuntu is going all touchy, Windows 8 (although confused) is touch-enabled, the new ChromeBook Pixel looks very touch-centric; It seems that Apple are really falling behind the eight-ball on something they purportedly pioneered. I can only assume they'll release their new OS (OSXI, OSX.I, X.I.OS, etc.) fairly soon as OSX in it's current form is about as touch friendly…

Typing whole day while looking into a figerprint-stained screen is no fun. And no touchscreen can replace a keyboard in foreseeable future. Those who don't write much are happy with iPads.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by krichman »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #378
krichman wrote: post #343

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OS X already hides the ~/Library folder, it's not far-fetched to think they might hide everything but the Photos, Documents, etc. folders. I wouldn't say iOS is a terrible product, just that it's terrible for someone that knows how to use a computer. Apple is trying to get users that don't know what they are doing at the expense of the experience for users that do. I know I shall never buy another Apple computer if t…

You'd have a better argument if they got rid of the Library folder completely. Just because it's not a single click away anymore doesn't justify the slippery slope argument. OS X is not Linux. It's targeted to the general computer using populace and happens to be quite popular and useful for a very small minority of people like us. They still allow us to do everything we used to, it's just that they've hidden a few t…

Your assertion that it isn't a slippery slope is subjective, as is my assertion that it is. Both viewpoints are valid.

However, I reject your solution. It's my machine, I want it to be a pleasant experience to develop on, I don't want to memorize a workarounds for a bunch of trivial problems that I have to apply to every machine I use.

I'm taking the defensive position of not investing too much of my time in their products because I think they will remove access to those folders, or lock down on application installs, or otherwise make the experience wretched for me sometime in the future.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by vacri »

sixothree wrote: post #166
skore wrote: post #105

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I got a 17" Macbook Pro in 2009 (when they were still riding the wave of the iPhone) because it was a solid piece of hardware and gave me a sweet spot of down-the-road-choice (I exchanged the cd bay with another hdd, added Ram, installed Linux). I was looking forward to buying further Macbooks in the future. All that was shattered with their new Macbook lineup (which are pretty much just beefier MB Airs). They flat o…

My boss and I both had Early 2008 MBP 15". He spilled a large cup of coffee into the keyboard. He turned the machine upside down and it was pouring out. I sprung into action and opened that machine up and started dousing all of the parts with distilled water then drying them. I didn't need any special tools or even a service manual. That generation MBP had the most beautiful design inside and out that I have ever see…

Bah, the old IBM Model M keyboards had holes in the bottom, specifically for coffee draining!

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by bad_user »

ahoyhere wrote: post #371
bad_user wrote: post #334

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The problem with this line of thought is that you're talking about the older generation (our mothers and grandmothers). Teenagers today are power users , except for those who have much bigger problems than poor technical skills (like being freaking illiterate). So shouldn't we optimize for our children instead? Isn't it plain stupid that we spend so much worrying about our mothers and grandmas? The side effect is tha…

Do you really think teens today are power users? Every generation since I was a kid thought their kids were tech geniuses; having interacted with them, I know it wasn't true. So kids today use Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat. And Tumblr. I haven't seen any kind of trend for teens using Terminal or rolling their own. They appear to be proficient because the tools for normal people have gotten so much better.

Yes, I really think teens today are power users. I also interact with plenty of teens and also my wife works at a kindergarten - she has 4-year olds that know their way around a PC, enough to open their game or a browser.

Being a power user doesn't necessarily mean usage of a terminal, especially since most teens today use Windows on their PC, which has the shittiest terminal experience of them all. Heck, when I was a Windows user I wasn't using the terminal either, even though I was doing programming. Even if you are using the terminal in Windows, you don't really have much need for it since the whole freaking OS is anti-terminal and you can't do much with it. It's easy to forget this if you're a Mac or a Linux user.

This is not about teens being smarter btw. Older people simply don't have the patience to learn anymore, unless they see the real value in doing it. My folks also have a huge language barrier - they never learned English, as they were taught Russian and French in school and they forgot everything due to a lack of practice. For my mother, it doesn't matter how easy to use the device is, if it isn't localized.

Our tools definitely got better, but the only truly meaningful thing that changed since the late 90 is the availability of the Internet. When I was in high-school, in year 2000, we had no Facebook or Twitter, but I still had classmates that were communicating a lot over IRC and email. But they were doing so from school, because home Internet connections were expensive and shitty.

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Post by pooriaazimi »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #378
krichman wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X already hides the ~/Library folder, it's not far-fetched to think they might hide everything but the Photos, Documents, etc. folders. I wouldn't say iOS is a terrible product, just that it's terrible for someone that knows how to use a computer. Apple is trying to get users that don't know what they are doing at the expense of the experience for users that do. I know I shall never buy another Apple computer if t…

You'd have a better argument if they got rid of the Library folder completely. Just because it's not a single click away anymore doesn't justify the slippery slope argument. OS X is not Linux. It's targeted to the general computer using populace and happens to be quite popular and useful for a very small minority of people like us. They still allow us to do everything we used to, it's just that they've hidden a few t…

> Hold down Alt while clicking the Go menu to see your Library folder.

or

    (sudo??) chflags nohidden /Library
    chflags nohidden ~/Library
in Terminal (to make it visible all the time)

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by mhjacobson »

josteink wrote: post #359
mhjacobson wrote: post #354

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Oh OK. Hey, just out of curiosity, could you link me to the page that lists the iCloud pricing scheme?

Well. What do you know? Maybe they've actually, for once in their lives, created a product not exclusively designed to suck money out of your wallet. (1) Must have been a pretty recent change though. (1) http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4874

I think you've lost your credibility on Apple's design goals, sorry.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by krichman »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #386
bpatrianakos wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd have a better argument if they got rid of the Library folder completely. Just because it's not a single click away anymore doesn't justify the slippery slope argument. OS X is not Linux. It's targeted to the general computer using populace and happens to be quite popular and useful for a very small minority of people like us. They still allow us to do everything we used to, it's just that they've hidden a few t…

> Hold down Alt while clicking the Go menu to see your Library folder. or (sudo??) chflags nohidden /Library chflags nohidden ~/Library in Terminal (to make it visible all the time)

It has been my experience that this doesn't persist for whatever reason. I did it before and now it's hidden again.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by pooriaazimi »

krichman wrote: post #388
pooriaazimi wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hold down Alt while clicking the Go menu to see your Library folder. or (sudo??) chflags nohidden /Library chflags nohidden ~/Library in Terminal (to make it visible all the time)

It has been my experience that this doesn't persist for whatever reason. I did it before and now it's hidden again.

That's because point releases (10.8.1, etc.) hide it again!

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by erode »

cynwoody wrote: post #353
erode wrote: post #114

Isn't the point of "barely legal teens" that they are indeed legal? On what grounds can they delete discussions of legal content?

On what grounds can they delete discussions of illegal content?

That might even be a better point than I made.
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