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Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by padmanabhan01 »

belorn wrote: post #227

When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

//" install a Debian machine, and do: aptitude install postfix aptitude install postgrey install either a webmail (roundcube most commonly), or go to (http://www.postfix.org/docs.html). If a spam gets through, install blacklisting or spamassassin.//

You seriously think this is simple for non IT people?

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by bithive123 »

belorn wrote: post #227

When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

If you have enough experience or make enough simplifying assumptions, anything is trivially easy. But it doesn't take much imagination or experience to see that bootstrapping your own email isn't trivial. For instance, I defy you to buy a domain name and a hosted debian machine without maintaining an existing email account.

As a developer / sysadmin who used to host his own mail and uses complicated half insane APIs every day, I know that even things that are reliable and easy to set up (such as debian servers) require maintenance and all the work and planning that goes into making something secure, reliable, and performant.

I don't see how anyone with experience could contend with a straight face that running a network service like email is a set-and-forget proposition. I remember having to brush up on my mail stack every time I needed to troubleshoot a problem, and over time it became clear that I had over-prioritized hosting my own email.

Edit: It's a fine hobby project though, as long as you're honest with yourself about what you're undertaking.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by zxtang »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #151
m_eiman wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GMail silently drops any emails containing zipped .exe files that I send to my boss. That's despite me being one of his most common correspondents, part of the same GApps domain and whatnot. The problem is the same: spam filtering gone wrong.

Agreed, this is incredibly annoying, achieves little or nothing in the way of improved security, and makes GMail a lot less useful than it could be. They've done it for years.

It's also not very sophisticated last I checked. Just change the extension.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by nicholasjarnold »

chrisdevereux wrote: post #271
nicholasjarnold wrote: post #186

Ugh! Let's just list a few reasons why we shouldn't be purchasing these things anymore. (Disclosure: Never owned one, but have played around with them a little.) - Not upgradable - Super overpriced - Dictator-style company that seemingly caters to grandma more than technical folk - Obnoxious smug ethos created by marketing team - Lots of people complaining about OSX going downhill - The OP story and associated report…

> Just look at Objective C for 5 minutes I'm willing to bet you've looked at it for much less than that.

Have I tried to develop anything using it? No.

Have I looked at the source code on numerous occasions, trying to come to terms with it's verbosity and ugliness? Yes.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by joe_the_user »

belorn wrote: post #227

When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

I agree we should be more serious about email privacy.

But "There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading." Seems like something of an exaggeration.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priva...

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by jacquesm »

bithive123 wrote: post #282
belorn wrote: post #227

When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

If you have enough experience or make enough simplifying assumptions, anything is trivially easy. But it doesn't take much imagination or experience to see that bootstrapping your own email isn't trivial. For instance, I defy you to buy a domain name and a hosted debian machine without maintaining an existing email account. As a developer / sysadmin who used to host his own mail and uses complicated half insane APIs…

(1) use public email account to buy domain + hosted debian box

(2) set up mail server, create account(s)

(3) reset public email account with domain registrar + hosting facility to newly set-up email addresses

(4) kill public email account

You only need one for a very short while to bootstrap your own email server, you don't need it forever.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Post by mikegioia »

padmanabhan01 wrote: post #281
belorn wrote: post #227

When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

//" install a Debian machine, and do: aptitude install postfix aptitude install postgrey install either a webmail (roundcube most commonly), or go to ( http://www.postfix.org/docs.html ). If a spam gets through, install blacklisting or spamassassin.// You seriously think this is simple for non IT people?

It't even that simple for IT people. I've been working with email servers for years and ensuring deliverability was a NIGHTMARE.

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Post by pyre »

rdl wrote: post #266
adimitrov wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and mutt is still essentially "headers only" Mutt is more like "everything I can come up with from the command line." Sure, I won't make my grandma use it, but I've never needed any searching capability beyond grep and co.

Yeah, I end up grepping organized-by-years Maildirs, but that's somewhat suboptimal.

Ever looked at Mairix?

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Post by pyre »

adimitrov wrote: post #259
rdl wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search is IMO the hard part. I know you can do Lucerne, but getting that working well with email is hard. Until recently Outlook's search was crap compared to gmail. too, and mutt is still essentially "headers only". Still, shouldn't be that hard to do as long as it is your own server and you trust it; I imagine a lot of the difficulty of gmail is scaling, and even a single user with 20-50GB of mail isn't in the same…

> and mutt is still essentially "headers only" Mutt is more like "everything I can come up with from the command line." Sure, I won't make my grandma use it, but I've never needed any searching capability beyond grep and co.

Not necessarily. Try to do something like write up your email in Markdown, and create a script to automatically convert it to multipart/alternative with text and html versions. So far as I can tell the only 'real' way is to insert the script between mutt and the sendmail command, but that's less than optimal.

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Post by derekp7 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #211
derekp7 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, any mangling of the text is bad. It is bad to drop text, and it is bad to change a line of code to have cartoon graphic images randomly scattered (which you, the sender, don't see but only the receiver does), which makes you look stupid in the eyes of the person receiving it. At least dropping a message makes it look like a network error, the other can make the message sender look like an ignorant fool. (I'…

No, MSN Messenger did change it for the sender, too. The receiver of a message's settings determined whether they saw the image. You could turn it off in the Text Formatting options, just a simple checkbox. So I'd disagree with the 'utterly useless' aspect.

That's exactly what I said, if you, the sender, have smilies turned off, you will see the normal code (...:) for example. But if receiver (the person you are sending the message to) doesn't know to turn smilies off, they will receive a graphical picture where the ":)" is in your message, even if it is part of a code block. And there are so many smilies that I don't recognize (not just the ":)" ones), that I never know what the receiver is going to see. Hence, it is useless for sending code fragments (or anything else other than conversational text), since you never know if what is on your screen matches what the receiver will see.
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