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Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

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Post by akavi »

return0 wrote: post #11
habosa wrote: post #5

This is nice for those who like the pull-to-refresh trope (I'm not among them, but that's not relevant here). Some suggestions: 1) Wouldn't it be better to have some initialization function like $('body').hook('Reloading...') to create the necessary markup instead of requiring the developer to put it on each page? 2) I'm not sure how hard this would be, but I think it would be better for the pull to refresh action to…

Tangengially, people should stop using the trendy word "trope" to mean 'recurring thing'. It's only valid in a metaphorical sense. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mind-your-language/2011/sep/...

God, I abhor this sort of peevery. But especially here, when the linguistic innovation is so damn useful.

The "trendy" meaning of trope, is, as far as I can tell, not one easily replaced by another word. It's not a motif so much as a kind of generalization of what archetype is to a character. In its narrative sense it refers to the sort of "tools" and "parts" the story teller uses to construct their tale, and I absolutely love the extension of meaning to refer to UX... tropes (what word would you use here? Motif? That suggests to me more aesthetic design elements than things like pull-to-refresh)

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

#23

Post by gojomo »

akavi wrote: post #21
return0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangengially, people should stop using the trendy word "trope" to mean 'recurring thing'. It's only valid in a metaphorical sense. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mind-your-language/2011/sep/...

God, I abhor this sort of peevery. But especially here, when the linguistic innovation is so damn useful . The "trendy" meaning of trope, is, as far as I can tell, not one easily replaced by another word. It's not a motif so much as a kind of generalization of what archetype is to a character. In its narrative sense it refers to the sort of "tools" and "parts" the story teller uses to construct their tale, and I abso…

Prescriptivist peevery (often with weak support) is by this point an HN-Trope.

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

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Post by robertskmiles »

akavi wrote: post #21
return0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangengially, people should stop using the trendy word "trope" to mean 'recurring thing'. It's only valid in a metaphorical sense. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mind-your-language/2011/sep/...

God, I abhor this sort of peevery. But especially here, when the linguistic innovation is so damn useful . The "trendy" meaning of trope, is, as far as I can tell, not one easily replaced by another word. It's not a motif so much as a kind of generalization of what archetype is to a character. In its narrative sense it refers to the sort of "tools" and "parts" the story teller uses to construct their tale, and I abso…

> to refer to UX... tropes (what word would you use here? Motif?

Probably 'pattern', I guess. I agree, I think it's a very practical new usage which doesn't introduce much ambiguity elsewhere, so I'm all for it.

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

#27

Post by jakub_g »

lowboy wrote: post #15

This is not a good idea because it breaks years (decades?) of expected behaviour on desktops. When a user scrolls a page back to the top, the expectation is that they'll see the top of the current page from the most recent pageload. With this, there's no way to revisit the top of the page in its current state and it's just gone when you scroll back to the top. This doesn't save much time/effort as a refresh is a comm…

I'd like to second @lowboy and add a bit unrelated but annoying thing I've been recently noticing:

It's enough that many popular news pages break my habit (in Firefox/Chrome) to use [Ctrl +] Shift + Left/Right to highlight the text I read with the Left/Right arrow buttons doing some magic like going to next article etc.

Never mess with the keyboard shortcuts of the browser unless you really know what and where you're doing. Keep in mind that Ctrl + .. often trigger browser native shortcuts, LeftAlt + .. is used to expand menus, and RightAlt + .. is used in some languages to type in diacritics. Unfortunately there's no much room for shortcuts considering all of that, other than complicated combos like Ctrl + Shift + .. (and some of that are also taken by the browser).

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

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Post by alpb »

- Does not work well on iPhone, not at all.

- Why not put the actual page at something like and y=50 and scroll to y automatically? so that pull-to-refresh part would be visible while scrolling and cancellable.

- Why does it requie "scrolling down a little bit" first?

- Don't break the web please! There is no need for that on the desktops.

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

#29

Post by barbs »

jakub_g wrote: post #27
lowboy wrote: post #15

This is not a good idea because it breaks years (decades?) of expected behaviour on desktops. When a user scrolls a page back to the top, the expectation is that they'll see the top of the current page from the most recent pageload. With this, there's no way to revisit the top of the page in its current state and it's just gone when you scroll back to the top. This doesn't save much time/effort as a refresh is a comm…

I'd like to second @lowboy and add a bit unrelated but annoying thing I've been recently noticing: It's enough that many popular news pages break my habit (in Firefox/Chrome) to use [Ctrl +] Shift + Left/Right to highlight the text I read with the Left/Right arrow buttons doing some magic like going to next article etc. Never mess with the keyboard shortcuts of the browser unless you really know what and where you're…

I'd like to third @lowboy and second jakub_g. That next/previous article control with left/right arrow buttons is so annoying! Especially when using up and down to navigate a page, I often accidentally hit left or right, resulting in my suddenly viewing an article I never wanted to read.

Similarly annoying are the "Overlay" scrollbars in Ubuntu's Unity desktop. They might be clean and out-of-the-way on touchscreen devices, where screen real-estate is often much more valuable, but they're just plain annoying on the desktop.

Swiping left and right, pull-to-refresh and smaller scrollbars might work on touchscreen devices, but they don't belong on the desktop, where there is expected behaviour derived from years of experience.

Re: Pull to refresh. For the web

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Post by jarek »

jakub_g wrote: post #27
lowboy wrote: post #15

This is not a good idea because it breaks years (decades?) of expected behaviour on desktops. When a user scrolls a page back to the top, the expectation is that they'll see the top of the current page from the most recent pageload. With this, there's no way to revisit the top of the page in its current state and it's just gone when you scroll back to the top. This doesn't save much time/effort as a refresh is a comm…

I'd like to second @lowboy and add a bit unrelated but annoying thing I've been recently noticing: It's enough that many popular news pages break my habit (in Firefox/Chrome) to use [Ctrl +] Shift + Left/Right to highlight the text I read with the Left/Right arrow buttons doing some magic like going to next article etc. Never mess with the keyboard shortcuts of the browser unless you really know what and where you're…

Twitter's been horrible for this recently. They've had the bright idea to map F5 to retweet. (Because no one uses F5 otherwise, right?) "-" also gets repurposed, as apparently it's more intuitive as a direct message shortcut rather than letting the browser use it for zooming or anything else. Slash has also been victimized as noted by choult. What a brave new world...
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