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The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Maybe there should be another programmer maxim: DRO (dont repeat others)

You must repeat the doing but not the inventing. I propose the following maxim: Good programmers invent, great programmers copy.

A wise man that I once worked for said "The best code is the code you can steal."

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Yes and no. I'm a co-founder of http://devbootcamp.com so I see this every day in the context of people learning to be programmers. "The best programmers I know understand how to architect and build large projects piece by piece. They can focus on the macro because don’t get hung up in the pieces. They know how to use Google to find solutions fast. DRY." I agree with the first and second bit and strictly speaking the…

Correct. If I'm understanding you, I'd summarize the distinction as follows: Google should be used as a reference . It should not be used in place of educated judgement. This goes along with the ideology that you should not trouble yourself with monkey-memorization. When learning to program (for instance), concepts are far more important and useful, as you are constantly faced with making educated decisions. Decision…

Yes! It's developing the judgement that separates an expert from a non-expert. Effective use of Google is a consequence of that judgement, not a cause.

More formally, it's nothing more complicated than a standard fallacy of the converse. We have "being an expert implies being the quickest to use Google." This does not imply the converse: "being the quickest to use Google implies being an expert."

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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I'm not quite sure what is so revolutionary about this post. If you don't know something of course you will Google it. However, a good programmer can make better queries precisely because he/she knows more background about the problem than a less experienced programmer, so in the end, it's still down to who has internalized more information.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Yes and no. I'm a co-founder of http://devbootcamp.com so I see this every day in the context of people learning to be programmers. "The best programmers I know understand how to architect and build large projects piece by piece. They can focus on the macro because don’t get hung up in the pieces. They know how to use Google to find solutions fast. DRY." I agree with the first and second bit and strictly speaking the…

But they key to becoming a non-beginner are the first two bits, not the third. It's developing that filter experts have which separates relevant information from irrelevant information. Lots of beginners use Google in a backwards sort of way, having been trained to "look for the solution." It's not about memorization, then, it's about this compression algorithm we call "being an expert." I think this goes pretty much…

It's more broad than that. I'm pretty sure that's just what it means to be an expert at anything. You have a set of heuristics at work as an expert. To a beginner, everything has the same emphasis. They won't even be able to differentiate correct from incorrect in many cases.

Watch a lawyer scan through a contract or a copyeditor edit your essay -- same thing. They catch in a second something you'd never catch in hours and hours, if ever.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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"The best doctors are the quickest to Google." "The best scientists are the quickest to Google." "The best engineers are the quickest to Google." Are the above statements true? Quite possibly. I would argue that the best in their fields are those writing the answers that are indexed by Google to be found by others. However, usually the best in their fields are also good at using Google. Unfortunately, the worst in th…

Probably, but they needn't advertise the fact. I go to a specialist for Cystic Fibrosis, and when one of my doctors responded to a question I had with "I Googled and learned that..." it didn't sit well with me.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Doctors are particularly egoistic and don't deal well with long-tail problems. But that doesn't make yours the best doctor; the best doctor wrote the original material. Willingness to research the answer just makes your doctor an effective doctor, because they ultimately deliver the correct answer.

the best doctor wrote the original material I agree with everything else in your comment, but that doesn't make sense. How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I am, admittedly, handwaving here. "Best" is so subjective that's hard to define, so I define it as "the ones who move the field forward with original work." In other contexts it could mean something completely different.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Yes and no. I'm a co-founder of http://devbootcamp.com so I see this every day in the context of people learning to be programmers. "The best programmers I know understand how to architect and build large projects piece by piece. They can focus on the macro because don’t get hung up in the pieces. They know how to use Google to find solutions fast. DRY." I agree with the first and second bit and strictly speaking the…

But they key to becoming a non-beginner are the first two bits, not the third. It's developing that filter experts have which separates relevant information from irrelevant information. Lots of beginners use Google in a backwards sort of way, having been trained to "look for the solution." It's not about memorization, then, it's about this compression algorithm we call "being an expert." I think this goes pretty much…

The interesting thing here to me is that this represents a failure of Google to present you with relevant information and only the relevant information.

It's an opportunity. Not an easy one, by any means, but still an opportunity.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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I'm not quite sure what is so revolutionary about this post. If you don't know something of course you will Google it. However, a good programmer can make better queries precisely because he/she knows more background about the problem than a less experienced programmer, so in the end, it's still down to who has internalized more information.

I can't speak to the author's intentions, but it feels like a typical HN-baity title to get eyeballs on the blog. The real estate dedicated to the startup's call to action (on the bottom and sidebar) is almost as big as the blog post. I, like many, have similar "blurbs of brilliance" that I'd love to post, but I feel that if I don't have at least several paragraphs with substantive information then I'm merely adding noise to the Web.

Re: The best programmers are the quickest to Google

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Yes and no. I'm a co-founder of http://devbootcamp.com so I see this every day in the context of people learning to be programmers. "The best programmers I know understand how to architect and build large projects piece by piece. They can focus on the macro because don’t get hung up in the pieces. They know how to use Google to find solutions fast. DRY." I agree with the first and second bit and strictly speaking the…

Sorry for being off topic, but what resources would you recommend to someone who wants to learn everything that is taught in dev bootcamp but cant attend?
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