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Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

#141
I think we need to give Marissa a little more credit here, surely she's aware of the adverse immediate effect of such an announcement.

Here is my interpretation: this is a way to flush people who are not productive enough. Yahoo expects them to have left the company by June.

Once this is done, Yahoo will announce that it is restoring work-from-home policy and will offer some very attractive packages to attract talent.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

#142
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"Anyone who is happy working in the environment that was Yahoo over the past 5 years is not an A player by any stretch, so it's safe to assume that you can afford to lose them." Great comment.

It's high-grade snark, but the people who implemented Hadoop or Yahoo pipes do not seem to be particularly stupid.

You're right, they don't seem to be stupid, and they all seem to have left...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/pashasadri

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/10/jonathan-trevor-builder-of-...

http://www.edho.com/

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

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> Working for home is not for everyone but for some of us its speeds us up not slows us down. The days I go into the office for meetings are the days I get nothing real done. It seems like you've drawn a particular conclusion from this, but I think you are missing an entirely different one. If you "don't get anything done" every time you come in to the office, that would suggest there is something more important than…

When you are there, taking advantage of the opportunity to address this exceeds the value of what I'm sure most people would describe as your primary job function. I think it's more a side-effect of the typical meeting. They tend to be so low bandwidth, that most people view any way out of them as increasing their productivity. I've not found remote meetings much better in this regard.

But given that one can have remote meetings, the fact that one is deluged with meetings when coming in to the office kind of suggests something, no?

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

#144
I some times wonder if this is a test. We've all been looking at it from the engineering perspective, but I sometimes wonder if its a test of management. Is somebody trying to see if there is any manager inside of Yahoo that can justify remote team members? It is those managers who are going to lose people when those remote people quit or have to be laid off.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

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having different offices usually doesnt split up teams between onsite and remote, so its not really comparable. If a whole team is in another location, they are effectivly on-site. Sure, communication with other teams is harder, but that doesnt happen as often as internal team communication. Trying to scale a company were everybody is remote and on their own, is a very tough task. So when working remote (as in from h…

Sure, communication with other teams is harder, but that doesnt happen as often as internal team communication. The question was about scaling up. It's obviously possible to manage entire teams that are offsite, as many companies now do it. Is there some other way to scale up than to have other teams? You aren't seriously suggesting to have bigger teams, are you? If you accept you need teams in multiple teams & locat…

> So when working remote (as in from home) and your project manager calls you for something urgent at 10am but you are still sleeping/doing stuff with the kids etc

Worth noting that working from home does not mean you work any different hours from anyone else. In fact, your point is more of an argument FOR telecommuting than against it. At any given time that you're not "at work", it's far faster to switch to being "at work" for a telecommuter than for someone that has to head to the office to do so.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

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37signals comes down against a decree of no more remote working. I am shocked (shocked that there is gambling going on in this establishment). Much like hiring practices this is and will continue to be a divisive issue. This one however seems to be largely driven by personal preference: if you want to work from home, you can't understand why anyone is against it. If you don't, then you do. I fall in the camp of not n…

"If a hiring process weeds out some qualified candidates, it doesn't mean it's broken. Whether or not it's broken is determined by whether the company finds a suitable candidate, how long it takes and how expensive it is."

Absolutely. But changing terms and conditions after a person has been employed is different, and, in the UK at least, may be illegal. I suspect it is the change for existing employees that surprised people.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

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37signals comes down against a decree of no more remote working. I am shocked (shocked that there is gambling going on in this establishment). Much like hiring practices this is and will continue to be a divisive issue. This one however seems to be largely driven by personal preference: if you want to work from home, you can't understand why anyone is against it. If you don't, then you do. I fall in the camp of not n…

How do you feel about working from home just part of the week? At my current company most of my team works from home two days a week. While we aren't required to do so, most of us sync our days so we all work from home Tuesday and Thursday. That way we are in the office at the same time for the most part. I've found that I really enjoy this arrangement. I still feel like we have team cohesion while at the same time I…

Having worked the full range of situations (full telecommute, full office, and everything in between) I can say that, for me at least, an arrangement like this is optimal.

- Working in the office every day is a complete productivity drain for me.

- Working from home every day makes it more complicated to collaborate with coworkers (especially over highly visual whiteboarding situations.

- Splitting the difference has worked really well. Generally we picked one day where we were always in the office (as much for social interaction as meetings). In addition, each of us was perfectly willing to come in 1-2 other days a week if there was a need.

Splitting the difference is by far my favorite mode.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

#149
Not surprised by 37 Signal's opinion as they've gotten remote to work because of their passion for creating tools that foster communication.

For me, there are 2 ways to look at Yahoo's decision.

One is they are flat out wrong, but thats OK, because they are making decisions (Steve Jobs spoke of this)! Decisions are what moves companies in directions, good or bad, its better than being frozen and stagnant.

Two, I can attest to the cross pollination of ideas when you're together as a team, sharing lunch, sharing experiences, seeing each other in person, reading each other's body language, etc that just doesn't seem to happen at the same level when you're remote. If I were building a team from the ground up I'd want my team to be hanging out everyday ...the other meta of working together doesn't happen over Skype :). I can't tell you how many solutions were dreamed up on the walk to Starbucks. There is just something there that is hard to replicate with software.

Re: No more remote work at Yahoo

#150
While I agree with many points in the post, there are some things the author is missing.

I have several friends who have worked at large floundering companies cough Best Buy cough. As soon as a new CEO comes in, this is usually the first thing to go in terms of perks to the worker bees. They try and frame it up in many ways, but overall, it's an attempt to try and focus your work, and rally the troops in order to help stagnate morale.

The ironic part was the lower managers immediately convened a meeting of developers after the CEO's announcement, and told everybody, "Yeah, this isn't going to affect our group - carry on and continue to do what you need to do. Even if it means working remotely a good part of the time."

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