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Re: The MS Surface Pro

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Is it just the surface pro that has this tech built in..? Crazy that this feature has not been promoted more.

Some Samsung galaxy tablets have 'S Pen' that also use Wacom digitiser system (pressure sensitivity and similar). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Note#Stylus and http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/galaxy-not...

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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The app shouldn't know about the DPI being used by the OS. It should be completely transparent to the app — this is not the app's responsibility.

Yes and no, it should be transparent as in the app shouldn't be broken because someone has set their DPI to be different than usual. This becomes especially important when you have an application that can run on different devices with high and low DPI. Also, the 150% DPI setting is an accessibility feature for people with bad eye sight. All apps on windows desktop should support it. If your app doesn't, and setting i…

If it's an accessibility feature only — and might break apps — then it shouldn't be the default setting on the Surface Pro.

In a well designed operating system the application should not have to explicitly handle arbitrary DPI settings for correct touch/pointer input.

An unsupported application should simply look blurry if it does not provide correct raster assets for the specified DPI. That's it.

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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The app shouldn't know about the DPI being used by the OS. It should be completely transparent to the app — this is not the app's responsibility.

If app don't manifest itself as DPI aware then it's completely transparent because of so-called "DPI virtualisation". But some apps don't use system font rendering or want to draw lines precisely 1 pixel width or want to control anti-aliasing during zoom or so on, and such applications are either blured by DPI virtualisation (because 1 pixel width line is now 1.5 pixel at 150% scaling) or they manifest itself as "DPI…

These apps should be drawing to a framebuffer managed by the operating system. Which should then be composited at the correct scale by the OS.

One specific problem that arises on a Surface Pro is that the touch input on Civ 5 is off unless you set the DPI back to 100%. An app should not have to switch its touch/pointer handling just because the DPI changed.

It seems like the low level input handling should have been wrapped by Windows 8 to handle these cases.

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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It's been a while since the tablet market was defined as 'iPad'.

I didn't say that, what I said was that Apple's vision is that there's a market for tablets and that iPad will thrive as long as there's a market for tablets. Thrive as in 90%? 70%? 40%? 320% but 50% of the profit? Who knows. But I don't define the tablet market as iPad and only iPad. And it's possible that Apple is wrong and that there isn't a tablet market. Maybe it's just that PCs suck so much, but given time and…

I think it is important that recognize that neither company here has a "vision" at all. Both companies are just attempting to steer computing in the direction of the thing that they have been most (financially) successful with. For Microsoft, it's PCs, for Apple it's devices.

Re: The MS Surface Pro

#105

The conclusion I draw from everything I've heard is that the Surface Pro is a terrible iPad and an excellent PC laptop. Issues like the battery life, heat, weight, RAM free, and so on are reasonable for a Windows machine. If my perspective is correct, look for the Surface Pro to cannibalize sales from MS's "partners." I do expect it to appeal to the kind of person who buys a PC laptop and an iPad. And that's a great…

To me it comes down to the fact that the Surface Pro does everything that the iPad can do plus it runs everything our desktop can run (games, work applications). Oh and you can pop a 64 GB memory card into it to boost its storage.

Expect this thing to gather momentum once people see early adopters playing real games on this thing. Will start having a lot of people with iPad regret.

Re: The MS Surface Pro

#106
Really good review!

It has changed my mind on surface pro. It will still be out of my price range and I am not going to buy it, but it has changed my mind about it.

Best tradeoff for MS with surface series ever? For one tablet, HN is changing its mind?:D

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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I am really surprised that I keep reading blog posts, this one included, that state the only option for an iPad stylus is the eraser head style capacitive pieces of crap.

This entire post was about a tablet that runs uncomfortably warm, with buggy software, short battery life, tiny available user storage and an occasionally useful flip stand, but has a pressure sensitive stylus and it is the best. Oh yeah, and Microsoft gave him the device, so I dare say he didn't actually research his options.

Has no one heard of Jot? I'd be interested to read his comparison of the pressure sensive jot on his iPad to the Surface Pro.

http://adonit.net/jot/touch/

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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Are there any digitizer users here? I use a Wacom digitizer daily for notes and sketches instead of using pen&paper. My wet dream is a pressure&tilt sensitive/e-ink based device, but it looks like the Surface Pro is the closest you can get currently - and this is a good review. If you want a portable device (laptop/ultrabook/tablet) with a good digitizer that you can actually use (that is, wacom based), your options…

Samsung Galaxy Note N8000 tablet uses wacom digitizer.

The N8000 is a different class of device, low spec / android based phone.

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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post #86

Are there any digitizer users here? I use a Wacom digitizer daily for notes and sketches instead of using pen&paper. My wet dream is a pressure&tilt sensitive/e-ink based device, but it looks like the Surface Pro is the closest you can get currently - and this is a good review. If you want a portable device (laptop/ultrabook/tablet) with a good digitizer that you can actually use (that is, wacom based), your options…

There are a couple of recent Atom based Windows 8 tablets with Wacom. They're much lighter and thinner than the Surface Pro, but it also trades away CPU power for it.

Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2. Dell Latitude 10

Re: The MS Surface Pro

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Ever since it was first announced I thought it would be an ideal on-the-go photo management/editing program (I could easily get by in Lightroom without a keyboard, and the pen would be tons of fun) so it's cool to see that they hit that mark for that. I'm going to hold off until a cooler/longer battery life revision 2, though. Or possibly a ThinkPad Helix or something, but that's still not really a loss for MS. MS's…

Back in the day, I used the original lightroom on a Toshiba m200 (one of the original XP tablet machines). Even with the greater weight, far more limited battery life and relatively limited processing power (I think I had a 2.0GHz single core - mostly processing 4MP files off the 1DmkI so it was able to keep up decently), the Wacom digitizer in screen was amazing for touchups (it makes masking so much faster than any…

Modern Lightroom uses WAY more resources than earlier versions, especially when using the newer brush and gradient tools. I find my new 15" MBP/SSD/16 Gigs RAM/etc seems to get pushed pretty hard.

I'd be curious how well Lightroom runs on the Surface Pro, or similar.

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