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Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by enraged_camel »

smtddr wrote: post #98
city41 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unacceptable? It's a tv show . I think some perspective is needed. It's also a tv show that HBO owns the full rights to and is free to do with it as they please.

Sure, they can do what they want. But I thought we were sorta discussing piracy. Again, I'm not trying to justify myself. I'm just going to pirate it, end of story. What prevents me from doing that is if they make it available for download or stream before piratebay does. I'm not arguing any point here, I'm just providing one data-point. There are people like me who want to have fun discussing shows with his friends/…

>>There are people like me who want to have fun discussing shows with his friends/family while they're watching it. Not 6+ months later.

Correction: there are people like you who feel ENTITLED to consume every piece of entertainment and will jump through whatever hoops necessary to do so. Because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to: entitlement.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#132

Post by watmough »

darklajid wrote: post #41
dangrossman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HBO knows it's 2013. It's built a Netflix competitor. They have the whole tech stack for subscription internet streaming running and proven. They're signing 10-year content deals with exclusivity agreements that simultaneously give them a future catalog to rival Netflix while locking Netflix out of acquiring the same top-quality content. HBO has all its ducks in a row, it's playing the long game. All they're waiting…

HBO knows it's 2013. It's built a Netflix competitor. They have the whole tech stack for subscription internet streaming running and proven. I guess (failed to find how I can check it so far) that this is again US only. Of course we're talking about a US anti 'piracy' law, so that kind of makes sense. But the GP still has a point: Making content available, in a reasonable way, would make people like me shell out a go…

The service is built, but does not work, unless you already have a cable subscription, even in the US.

There's no way, to the best of my knowledge to legally watch Game of Thrones, besides buying it on DVD/Blu-Ray or actually subscribing to HBO (and using that subscription to watch it on-line).

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by watmough »

jasonlotito wrote: post #125
CamperBob2 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Yes, I can buy last season's shows at Costco. So?

That changes the OP's argument. "Still not for sale at any price..." which is 100% false. The problem is, you want it now... because, well, you are entitled to it when and how you want it. The only issue is you aren't willing to pay the price. So, instead of availability, this because one of pricing. You feel the product costs too much, and you want the lower price to come sooner. Another problem is you are looking a…

I wait for the DVDs. I'm not a believer in piracy.

My issue is that if I could subscribe to just HBO, I would. It's the other 200 channels of DishTV's slops that I don't want coming into my house.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by jburnat »

dangrossman wrote: post #23
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #13

Game of Thrones (the most pirated show of last year) comes out in March. Still not for sale at any price unless you have a cable package AND one of their authorised ISPs (plus $18+tax/month). Maybe companies like HBO should update their business practices to something roughly compatible with 2013, instead of trying to legal threat everyone into submission. If they sold it on iTunes, YouTube, or Hulu+ they'd convert t…

HBO knows it's 2013. It's built a Netflix competitor. They have the whole tech stack for subscription internet streaming running and proven. They're signing 10-year content deals with exclusivity agreements that simultaneously give them a future catalog to rival Netflix while locking Netflix out of acquiring the same top-quality content. HBO has all its ducks in a row, it's playing the long game. All they're waiting…

This seems like wishful thinking, though: most of the attempts of media companies to take on "disruptive" technologies end up looking fairly ridiculous.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by dzamie »

If I understand this correctly, someone who claims copyright on a software can sign up for an alerts system on a P2P, at which point any infringement of copyright is automatically forwarded to the ISP. The ISP then reprimands the alleged pirate via email/alert, and if the consumer continues to receive warnings, they will have to play a video on their computer and/or receive restricted internet access.

The "you must watch a video" thing doesn't seem too bad, considering that it'll probably be possible to just run it in its own tab and ignore it, and speed restrictions are already being put in place by some ISPs.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by smtddr »

enraged_camel wrote: post #131
smtddr wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, they can do what they want. But I thought we were sorta discussing piracy. Again, I'm not trying to justify myself. I'm just going to pirate it, end of story. What prevents me from doing that is if they make it available for download or stream before piratebay does. I'm not arguing any point here, I'm just providing one data-point. There are people like me who want to have fun discussing shows with his friends/…

>>There are people like me who want to have fun discussing shows with his friends/family while they're watching it. Not 6+ months later. Correction: there are people like you who feel ENTITLED to consume every piece of entertainment and will jump through whatever hoops necessary to do so. Because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to: entitlement.

Heh, everyone reading this thread. All I asked for is downloadable/streamable content at the same time as CableTV. Look how hostile the replies to me have become.

So far I've been identified as entitled, absurd, in need of some perspective and unwilling to pay for content.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by lelandbatey »

defrost wrote: post #129
rohern wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to assume that you are an older person who has no real experience with "piracy" because the tone of your comment suggests a misconception about how it works. "Pirates" absolutely will pay. They pay to get the content as soon as it comes out and in high-definition. There are large and influential companies that have come to recognize the piracy is the result of failures of distribution, not pricing. The pri…

Rather than running about insulting old people by assuming they have "no real experience with piracy" you might want to change your argument to "old people have a different experience of piracy than the one I am trying to replace". Last time I checked the backbone of the early release scene was still Usenet - clearly the playground of the hip, young & funky - no old people there.

Usenet is very much not the backbone of releases. The majority of releases happen on [0]topsites, with a growing portion of releases happening through large private torrent communities.

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsite_(warez)

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

zacharycohn wrote: post #43
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #13

Game of Thrones (the most pirated show of last year) comes out in March. Still not for sale at any price unless you have a cable package AND one of their authorised ISPs (plus $18+tax/month). Maybe companies like HBO should update their business practices to something roughly compatible with 2013, instead of trying to legal threat everyone into submission. If they sold it on iTunes, YouTube, or Hulu+ they'd convert t…

It's more complicated than sticking to outdated business practices. It's a classic innovator's dilemma. People pay to subscribe to HBO (tv). If people could get a lot of that content by subscribing online, for cheaper, then lots of people will switch over. Which means HBO disrupts it's own cashcow moneymaker with something that makes less money.

So who says it has to be "cheaper"? Charge the same amount for the streaming service as they get from the cable companies.

The problem is not HBO, the problem is Comcast. If HBO offered all their premium content a la carte over the internet for competitive prices, HBO would be fine. They would make even more money than they do now -- except that the cable companies would collectively go berserk and retaliate, the fear of which is what stops them.

If the DoJ had any interest in not looking like a collection of apathetic former RIAA lawyers there would be an antitrust probe into this sort of thing by now.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#139

Post by GHFigs »

smtddr wrote: post #81
waterlesscloud wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there's an alternative. Wait a few months until it's available for purchase. Works fine for me.

Unacceptable. If my friends/family are watching some awesome show like say, LOST, I'm not waiting for TV companies/netflix/whoever to get their act together. The moment people around me want to discuss the show is the moment I want it and not a second later. I will pirate it if need be. I won't "wait a few months". I'm not here trying to justify piracy either; think whatever you want of me - I'm not waiting, that's a…

If my friends/family are watching some awesome show like say, LOST, I'm not waiting for TV companies/netflix/whoever to get their act together.

Lost is among the worst examples you could have chosen. It was one of the first shows available for day-after purchase on iTunes, and from the third season on had free day-after streaming on ABC's own site. And it was literally broadcast over the air for free.

So to be clear: You really are saying that even eight hours is too much of a delay. You really are saying that you want exactly what cable TV customers get, but that you don't want to pay anything for it.

Since you like getting free things so much, here's some free advice: If your relationships with your friends and family can't transcend such a trivial incompatibility as having not watched the same television show at exactly the same moment, maybe you should try watching it with them. Surely between all of you, somebody is willing to actually pay for something that is allegedly so crucial to how you interact with one another. (If none are willing to pay for it, that raises the question of how any of you are able to afford the time involved.)

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#140

Post by dangrossman »

watmough wrote: post #132
darklajid wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HBO knows it's 2013. It's built a Netflix competitor. They have the whole tech stack for subscription internet streaming running and proven. I guess (failed to find how I can check it so far) that this is again US only. Of course we're talking about a US anti 'piracy' law, so that kind of makes sense. But the GP still has a point: Making content available, in a reasonable way, would make people like me shell out a go…

The service is built, but does not work, unless you already have a cable subscription, even in the US. There's no way, to the best of my knowledge to legally watch Game of Thrones, besides buying it on DVD/Blu-Ray or actually subscribing to HBO (and using that subscription to watch it on-line).

You can stream past seasons on Amazon Instant Video and iTunes.
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