Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS • Hacker News Board

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by foobarqux » Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 9:34 PM UTC

hamai wrote: post #89

znowi wrote: post #69

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Two thoughts on this: 1. I think the course to a mass surveillance society is set and inevitable. The culture shift in relation to privacy is evident. Both on the net and offline people gradually get used to the idea of being tracked, observed, analyzed, etc. The virtue of tomorrow is I've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide . 2. Google Glass poses an interesting dilemma. I expect it to be as prevalent as smar…

User iwwr summarized well the problems with the "nothing to hide" argument: "The ability to gleam private details about people is having some power over them. The entire modern theory of government rests on limiting and dividing up the power of those in power. With mass surveillance, that balance is broken. Not only do we have private details on individuals, that knowledge is held by a small and unaccountable elite,…

It's even worse. Since data will be stored almost indefinitely people will be able to be persecuted retroactively for things they did or beliefs they had many years ago, even if those actions or beliefs were en vogue at the time.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by sliverstorm » Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 9:45 PM UTC

faxilux wrote: post #38

logn wrote: post #28

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No, this means that petty street crime, protests, rallys, etc. are being monitored but closed-door talks between politicians, lobbyists, and finance execs are not. It's directly targeting the blue-collar outdoors and protecting the white-collar. But in reality this isn't about fighting crime even. It's about making money. It's no secret that our wars our dying down. How will the drone manufacturers make money? They r…

If all privacy is forgone the politicians privacy would be dropped too. While this is of course difficult to enforce (something like Google Glasses that constantly stream? Or even implants?) it would create a society devoid of hidden intentions. Crime would be easily solved as well, and politics would be completely transparent. I am twisted on this issue, but it is definitely an interesting viewpoint to consider.

it would create a society devoid of hidden intentions

Like hell it would. People would still find a way to deal in secret.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by cpher » Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 11:15 PM UTC

brownbat wrote: post #70

Just listened to the last two episodes of This American Life, about a school in Chicago where there have been 29 kids shot over the last year.[1] On seeing this, immediately wondered if you could combine drones with gunshot detection systems.[2] The drone could hone in on gunshots and follow any vehicle in a drive by in real time without a dangerous car chase.[3] By implication, the drone "nightmare" scenario probabl…

I live on the south side of Chicago. Whenever I pass through "trouble" intersections (near the El, etc), I see a myriad of tech perched atop towers--red light cameras, gun shot detectors, CCTV cameras, etc. Adding a small "hut" to contain UAVs is the logical next step. And it will do nothing to fix the root cause of the issues. Neither will hiring more cops to patrol distressed areas. The problem is cultural.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by jellicle » Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 11:52 PM UTC

tekromancr wrote: post #21

cromwellian wrote: post #7

I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle. ARGUS uses mobile phone sensors. Cameras are becoming almost "too cheap to meter", and too small to notice. Billions of people now walk around with mobile phone cameras, so chances are you're going to be recorded by someone in public, especially as cameras continue to evolve. It may be some small consolation that consumer cameras are ground level, and decentralized, where as…

What if we went the completely opposite way? Forgo ALL privacy? Everyone has access to everyone else's data and metrics. If the genie is all ready out of the bottle, this might be the best outcome.

Why would you think "we" could do that?

It will always be illegal to fly YOUR drone over the White House. Always. Proceed from there.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by nitrogen » Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 12:47 AM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #84

nitrogen wrote: post #82

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Having their own flaws doesn't stop people from punishing others for those same flaws.

In a negative-sum game perhaps. When comparing to someone else who also has flaws or blemishes, or in settings where you risk your own credibility by being a hypocrite, it won't happen.

So if we move in this direction as a society, we'll have to make doubly sure that the total lack of privacy applies to the political and corporate decision makers as much as, or more than, everyone else.