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New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

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I really wish business practices would change to meet this demand. I recently came across crunchyroll [1] which has a huge amount of japanese animation available to watch online 'for free' if you can put up with ads, or you can pay $7/month to have ad free (as well as higher def). What I find really awesome is that for many shows it is available online an hour after it is shown in japan (this is for paying members, f…

Crunchyroll is a unique case. It started out as a typical pirate video site that basically streamed and profited off anime fansubs, then later managed to go legitimate by licensing anime from Japanese studios (presumably because it had a large audience and the studios decided to experiment with streaming to the international market). It's a one-off occurrence that I don't think has been duplicated by any other site since.

It'd be great if more pirate streaming sites started up and became legitimate, but it's unlikely to happen so easily with content owners who are more protective of their copyrights (e.g. US studios/channels). They'd probably sue instead of discuss licensing terms.

Hulu and Netflix need to go everywhere, but content licensing by region will always stand in their way. Here we're stuck with high-priced cable TV packages that I don't find appealing, and Amazon's ebook store isn't even available.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#72
If they know what you pirated, why don't the content providers just get your ISP to shut off your internet until you watch enough ads to make up for the cost (they could do a little rev-share to incentivize comcast). Piracy will exist as long as content providers insist on selling something that can no longer be sold.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#73

This violates my perception of my ISP as a dumb pipe. I want to pay a fair price (whatever that may be) for an internet service provider that exists only to connect subscribers to the internet, at reasonable speeds near their advertised rates.

Try business class service.

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#74

Well, here come the Dark Nets: "The RetroShare network allows people to create a private and encrypted file-sharing network. Users add friends by exchanging PGP certificates with people they trust. All the communication is encrypted using OpenSSL and files that are downloaded from strangers always go through a trusted friend. In other words, it’s a true Darknet and virtually impossible to monitor by outsiders. http:/…

Translation: The system is hard to use, has little content available, and downloads slowly when you can find something to download.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#76
post #53

Game of Thrones (the most pirated show of last year) comes out in March. Still not for sale at any price unless you have a cable package AND one of their authorised ISPs (plus $18+tax/month). Maybe companies like HBO should update their business practices to something roughly compatible with 2013, instead of trying to legal threat everyone into submission. If they sold it on iTunes, YouTube, or Hulu+ they'd convert t…

This is a tired argument born out of ignorance. You have no provided no evidence that the pirates would pay for it if they could, nor have you provided any evidence that HBO would make more money selling Game of Thrones to individuals than selling their network to the cable companies as an exclusive option for consuming their content.

I am going to assume that you are an older person who has no real experience with "piracy" because the tone of your comment suggests a misconception about how it works. "Pirates" absolutely will pay. They pay to get the content as soon as it comes out and in high-definition.

There are large and influential companies that have come to recognize the piracy is the result of failures of distribution, not pricing. The prime example would be Valve, which since it made Steam its primary distribution channel, had paid very little attention to piracy (compare to EA). The CEO, Gabe Newell, has discussed this publicly, and you can find him discussing it on YouTube.

His example, which is particular to the gaming industry, but applies also to feature films, is that it is not reasonable to think that individuals who can afford $40/month internet connections and $2000 gaming rigs are pirating games because of money. They pirate games because they cannot get them legally conveniently and readily. This is particularly true in countries where English is not spoken. It takes months for a game to be released in Russia in Russian after the game is released in the United States. If a gamer can get a version in Russian faster via piracy, he's going to do it. The same rule holds for feature films, where again, release dates are not universal.

As to your second point, if you cannot see the common sense in the idea that the millions of American and foreign young people who do subscribe to cable or to HBO but who enjoy Game of Thrones want to be able to watch it online in high def the same way that they watch every other show, I think you're just trying to argue for the sake of it. Even if only 10% of these people paid to watch it on HBO/iTunes/Amazon, that is money that HBO is not getting now. Being able to pay a few bucks to watch the episode the same night that it is released in high-definition is well worth it. To take just one demographic, college students living in dorms do not have cable subscriptions. They all watch the show by streaming from sites that violate copyright or via file-sharing.

Perhaps you do not know this, but it is trivial to watch shows online. You can stream video from dozens of sites, with more of these appearing every month. These sites upload new episodes with hours of their original airing. That being said, Netflix has millions of subscribers, including very many young people who know how to watch shows like this. Young people also spend lots of money renting movies and television shows on iTunes that they could find for free online with a little effort. People pay for a high quality stream without the annoyance of pop-up ads and banners, and they like fast downloads and ease of use.

Here's Gabe talking about piracy, so don't take my word for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLC_zZ5fqFk

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#77

Is there some reason why there isn't an inexpensive Chinese-made device that people could buy that creates totally decentralized urban and suburban mesh networks over public spectrum?

Mesh networking is very hard and there's no business model to pay for the very hard R&D since it's fundamentally about not paying.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#78
This is really bad. I don't care for piracy, but I'm really worried. This is a prediction of the internet.. year 2020:

TOR, freenet or some new network is in size like p2p was 2013. It has got a lot of attention from ordinary people and developers and it's actually pretty fast now days. Pretty much everyone runs a relay, it's basically like it was running uTorrent back in 2005 - not a big deal. While everything is free, which is quite nice for the pirate, it's also hell. Since everyone is basically untraceable, even Megan, the twelve year old who wants the new Disney movie. It's now totally impossible to trace down the terrorist, online drug-dealers, etc. The cyber-police is drowning in false positives, this because Megan and her classmates are using the same crypto-network.

Is this what we want? I think we should tackle the piracy problem from another angle. Let's start more services like spotify and hulu. Make it not worth it to pirate stuff because there is a awesome legal alternative.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you quoting that from? I can't find anything in the ToS about that and one of the features they list is "Unmetered VPN Transfer".

Really? Cause I found this: "Additionally, we may impose usage limits to our services, suspend or block services, or cancel any and all services at our sole discretion at any time. Finally, we do not guarantee the accuracy and timeliness of any data received." You can see that little gem here: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/terms-of-service... under Service Level Agreement "Subscriber understands that Pr…

That's very different to what you originally quoted! Having said that, yes, there is a discrepancy there, although I've got a feeling it's a CYA provision in case someone with Google Fiber decides to download all of YouTube.

Re: New Anti-Piracy System to Hit U.S. Internet Users on Monday

#80
post #31

LOOK MA, NO GOVERNMENT! With SOPA destroyed by the combined efforts of giant internet companies and internet users calling their congressmen, Hollywood was able to engage another group: ISPs. Note: this is done completely without government. It is one of the best illustrations to date of what I was saying, about nannies curtailing liberties being possible even if government doesn't do them. To all libertarians that s…

No government?

The telcos are government controlled, sponsored, and protected corporations. The entire industry is practically one giant government sponsored monopoly system.

We live in an era in which the US Government has the power to directly control every single aspect of the economy. Either directly or indirectly via threats. There are laws on the books to dictate everything and anything, using one agency or another.

This is nothing but government in action. Classic state sponsored corporatism, aka fascism lite.

We have a Hollywood sponsored President for crying out loud. They own him, every bit as much as people liked to claim big oil owned George W. And we have a VP that likes to break international law to fulfill Hollywood's demanding lobbyists.

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