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Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by jrogers65 »

Off-topic:

I love SparrowOS's (dead) comments - they're so off the cuff and random. Trying to make sense of them is like doing a really hard crossword puzzle. I have noticed one thing about them, however - when he speaks as himself they make complete sense. E.g.

> I had a problem with discipline. I worked at Ticketmaster while in college, but I know I wouldn't have studied more, just knowing my personal psychology.

> If you love programming more than anything, you are probably the kind of person who wants to know assembly language. If your full heart is not into programming, maybe not.

> I wrote my own compiler. Doesn't use REGs to pass values to functions.

They only become incomprehensible when he is relaying, as he puts it, what God says. E.g.

> Replacement So This_is_confusing gate attain imprinted educated comforting sentences awaiting deepness sufficiently scroll thee vacation discovereth knocked narrower I'm_off_today replenish stories 98 etext00 insultingly spunky vintage-vacation excellency overcast chastened prayed miss thirtieth One possesses preferable conquered affects bestowed restrainest feeling field Was surprise_surprise what_a_mess condemned Jove sheep obeying rights precede Austria stumble tide contrition turned Cherubim banquetings commandeth abhorring freely hinder diving sons' Watch_this -unto narrower rested effect loosen ordered kindred opening wail unsound render strongholds ebb blood bitterness Files

It seems almost like his thinking is split into two modes - one rational and the other a stream of consciousness. The first makes sense to the rest of us since there are commonalities which we can relate to (i.e. logic) but the second must contain a great deal of personal references which only he can understand the meaning of. "God's words" are his feelings put into text in a completely unfiltered way.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by coldtea »

tekromancr wrote: post #21
cromwellian wrote: post #7

I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle. ARGUS uses mobile phone sensors. Cameras are becoming almost "too cheap to meter", and too small to notice. Billions of people now walk around with mobile phone cameras, so chances are you're going to be recorded by someone in public, especially as cameras continue to evolve. It may be some small consolation that consumer cameras are ground level, and decentralized, where as…

What if we went the completely opposite way? Forgo ALL privacy? Everyone has access to everyone else's data and metrics. If the genie is all ready out of the bottle, this might be the best outcome.

>What if we went the completely opposite way? Forgo ALL privacy? Everyone has access to everyone else's data and metrics. If the genie is all ready out of the bottle, this might be the best outcome.

What good will that do?

For one, the people reading and using other people's data (mega-corporations, states, agencies, etc) are not going to forgo any of THEIR privacy.

So, in effect, you are just arguing "let's all go even more 'naked'".

The more, the better for them.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by coldtea »

0x0 wrote: post #40
brigade wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.8 Gpixel sensors don't exist, due to physics. It's combining 368 sensors. No one stores or transmits uncompressed video outside of RAM. 15Mbps is decent for 1080p24, so 1.8 Gpixel 24fps would be decent at 15Gbps. Assuming say 14 hours of daylight (drones can't stay up indefinitely and night vision has different requirements), that's no more than ~100 TB per mission or day. As for getting the data out, I'd assume th…

The announcer in the video claims "a million terabytes of video a day" at 2:45. That sounds like science fiction and has to be off by several orders of magnitude.

Probably speaks about the total uncompressed video.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by coldtea »

mc32 wrote: post #3

If this has the ability to track a good fraction of people from home to work in a given metro area, this could be a boon for optimizing traffic/transit resources and urban planning in general. If I were a DoT, I'd want this. W/re privacy. It's only a few years away from private companies having this tech available. So a bigger concern might be abuse of this information by an unregulated market.

>If this has the ability to track a good fraction of people from home to work in a given metro area, this could be a boon for optimizing traffic/transit resources and urban planning in general. If I were a DoT, I'd want this.

Yes, definitely, this is what they are gonna use it for... to make your transport better...

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by PavlovsCat »

nacker wrote: post #34
tekromancr wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if we went the completely opposite way? Forgo ALL privacy? Everyone has access to everyone else's data and metrics. If the genie is all ready out of the bottle, this might be the best outcome.

Yes, when faced with apparently insuperable force, why not just lie down and concede? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Somebody is saying this is inevitable - and whenever you hear somebody saying that, it's very likely to be a set of businesses campaigning to make it true. -- Richard Stallman

Whenever and wherever freedom and enlightenment rear their head in the form of specific people and specific insights, they are systematically fought. By all sorts of specific people for all sorts of specific reasons -- but not by laws of nature, or the laws of progress or whatever is dreamed up. Whatever road we're currently going down, it's one of many possible ones. And every step along it is made of people, decisions, and responsibility.

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by nacker »

realo wrote: post #37
nacker wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when faced with apparently insuperable force, why not just lie down and concede? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Funny you mention that. It does not work. http://youtu.be/q3Ypefy31K4

Disgusting.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."

-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by digisth »

tekromancr wrote: post #21
cromwellian wrote: post #7

I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle. ARGUS uses mobile phone sensors. Cameras are becoming almost "too cheap to meter", and too small to notice. Billions of people now walk around with mobile phone cameras, so chances are you're going to be recorded by someone in public, especially as cameras continue to evolve. It may be some small consolation that consumer cameras are ground level, and decentralized, where as…

What if we went the completely opposite way? Forgo ALL privacy? Everyone has access to everyone else's data and metrics. If the genie is all ready out of the bottle, this might be the best outcome.

David Brin's "The Transparent Society" explores this very idea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transparent_Society

"The Transparent Society (1998) is a non-fiction book by the science-fiction author David Brin in which he forecasts social transparency and some degree of erosion of privacy, as it is overtaken by low-cost surveillance, communication and database technology, and proposes new institutions and practices that he believes would provide benefits that would more than compensate for lost privacy."

Re: Drone ‘Nightmare Scenario’ Now Has A Name: ARGUS

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Post by networked »

faxilux wrote: post #38
logn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this means that petty street crime, protests, rallys, etc. are being monitored but closed-door talks between politicians, lobbyists, and finance execs are not. It's directly targeting the blue-collar outdoors and protecting the white-collar. But in reality this isn't about fighting crime even. It's about making money. It's no secret that our wars our dying down. How will the drone manufacturers make money? They r…

If all privacy is forgone the politicians privacy would be dropped too. While this is of course difficult to enforce (something like Google Glasses that constantly stream? Or even implants?) it would create a society devoid of hidden intentions. Crime would be easily solved as well, and politics would be completely transparent. I am twisted on this issue, but it is definitely an interesting viewpoint to consider.

Looks like a classic case of weirdtopia [1] to me.

[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/xm/building_weirdtopia/

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