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Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by AlexanderDhoore »

reinhardt wrote: post #27
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #9

Anyone have any thoughts on why python and ruby are so similar, yet so far apart? They are obviously very close, because people switch between them all the time. And they are compared on everything (languages features, libraries, tooling...). I think it's a healthy competitive environment.

What do you mean by "so far apart"?

I think they are very different too... I just can't explain how or where. Some people SWEAR by one of the two, and refuse to use the other. That's pretty harsh for languages that similar. There must be a reason... (The simplicity vs elegance argument makes sense)

Edit: I think I mean the communities are far apart.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by jdale27 »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

I downvoted you for writing "loose" instead of "lose".

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by tferris »

venus wrote: post #28
tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

And you deserve to lose those 50 points. Why do people still write silly comments like this? 1. Probably 75% of new startups are using rails, and rightly so. You'd need a good reason not to use it. "Rusty slow legacy systems" - what nonsense. 2. If there was a better language, they'd probably learn it? Or are you trying to insinuate Ruby programmers are dumb/lazy? 3. If you are blaming your slow web page on Ruby, you…

> 1. Probably 75% of new startups are using rails, and rightly so. You'd need a good reason not to use it. "Rusty slow legacy systems" - what nonsense.

75%? Evidence? You are the one who is talking nonsense, sorry to be direct and getting on Reddit level but you started.

> 2. If there was a better language, they'd probably learn it? Or are you trying to insinuate Ruby programmers are dumb/lazy?

Do I really have to tell you? Instead of doing some research Rubyists still defend their old tech (like you do now).

> 3. If you are blaming your slow web page on Ruby, you're doing it wrong.

Yes you are right, and now get back in your comfort zone and code some slow web services.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

#35

Post by Joeboy »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #31
reinhardt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "so far apart"?

I think they are very different too... I just can't explain how or where. Some people SWEAR by one of the two, and refuse to use the other. That's pretty harsh for languages that similar. There must be a reason... (The simplicity vs elegance argument makes sense) Edit: I think I mean the communities are far apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_difference...

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

#36

Post by venus »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #31
reinhardt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "so far apart"?

I think they are very different too... I just can't explain how or where. Some people SWEAR by one of the two, and refuse to use the other. That's pretty harsh for languages that similar. There must be a reason... (The simplicity vs elegance argument makes sense) Edit: I think I mean the communities are far apart.

> Some people SWEAR by one of the two, and refuse to use the other

Meh, I use Ruby for most of my work (day and side projects) but have nothing against Python. If I was writing a script for something on the OS I'd probably use Python.

Some people just really want to feel part of a group, I guess, and publicly dissing "the other" makes them feel more included in that group, or something. As for me, I like to feel like part of a group too, but it's a more inclusive "programming" group, rather than focussing on any one particular toolchain.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

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Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

#38

Post by aegiso »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

Great points. Speed and newness are paramount!

This is exactly why the most accomplished hackers write their web apps in SSE4.2 machine code.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by venus »

tferris wrote: post #34
venus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you deserve to lose those 50 points. Why do people still write silly comments like this? 1. Probably 75% of new startups are using rails, and rightly so. You'd need a good reason not to use it. "Rusty slow legacy systems" - what nonsense. 2. If there was a better language, they'd probably learn it? Or are you trying to insinuate Ruby programmers are dumb/lazy? 3. If you are blaming your slow web page on Ruby, you…

> 1. Probably 75% of new startups are using rails, and rightly so. You'd need a good reason not to use it. "Rusty slow legacy systems" - what nonsense. 75%? Evidence? You are the one who is talking nonsense, sorry to be direct and getting on Reddit level but you started. > 2. If there was a better language, they'd probably learn it? Or are you trying to insinuate Ruby programmers are dumb/lazy? Do I really have to te…

> 75%? Evidence?

None really, just the startups at an incubator-type place near me. Might not be 75% but it's certainly a big chunk and probably the majority.

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