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Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by reinhardt »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

Let me guess.. Node/Clojure/hip-language-du-jour-nobody-uses brogrammer?

Disclaimer: I am not a Ruby programmer.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by Tomte »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

Its language semantics are a sweet spot for me.

And in my kind of web applications I handle massive load via HTTP Caching, leaving your "fast" language without cache-aware architecture far behind, thank you very much.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by stiff »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #9

Anyone have any thoughts on why python and ruby are so similar, yet so far apart? They are obviously very close, because people switch between them all the time. And they are compared on everything (languages features, libraries, tooling...). I think it's a healthy competitive environment.

I was thinking about this lately a lot as I started doing some Python after almost 10 years of Ruby, I think it boils down to the simplicty vs. elegance tradeoff. If you want to have elegant, very high-level APIs that hide a lot of details, like Rails with has_many :posts in class definitions etc. you have to sacrifice simplicity and transparency - this is what defines Ruby in comparison to Python, in hundreds of places Ruby chooses to be elegant sacrificing simplicity when Python does the opposite. As a result Ruby code is often a bit shorter and reads a bit more easily but Python runs faster and makes it easier to understand the code in its full detail, since there is much less "cleverness" going on behind the scenes.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by AlexanderDhoore »

Goranek wrote: post #13
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #9

Anyone have any thoughts on why python and ruby are so similar, yet so far apart? They are obviously very close, because people switch between them all the time. And they are compared on everything (languages features, libraries, tooling...). I think it's a healthy competitive environment.

I'm a huge Python fan and there is nothing in the world that would force me to switch to Ruby =P

That's exactly what I mean. People feel very strongly for one or the other. Yet, even you, can't deny that they are very similar! Compare them to Java, Lisp, C, Go, Haskell, Perl,...

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by stiff »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

Don't feed the troll, please...

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by obilgic »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

I downvoted you just because of your anarchical attitude ... That is not the right way to start a healthy/useful discussion.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by reinhardt »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #9

Anyone have any thoughts on why python and ruby are so similar, yet so far apart? They are obviously very close, because people switch between them all the time. And they are compared on everything (languages features, libraries, tooling...). I think it's a healthy competitive environment.

What do you mean by "so far apart"?

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by venus »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

And you deserve to lose those 50 points. Why do people still write silly comments like this?

1. Probably 75% of new startups are using rails, and rightly so. You'd need a good reason not to use it. "Rusty slow legacy systems" - what nonsense.

2. If there was a better language, they'd probably learn it? Or are you trying to insinuate Ruby programmers are dumb/lazy?

3. If you are blaming your slow web page on Ruby, you're doing it wrong.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by doktrin »

tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

Why is this post at the top? It's nothing but flame bait. It consists entirely of feces-slinging, and not a single substantive topic is addressed.

Re: Ruby 2.0.0 Released

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Post by tferris »

obilgic wrote: post #26
tferris wrote: post #10

Today, I'll lose at least 50 karma points, but it's worth: Why people still use Ruby? 1. Because they get dream day rates for maintaining rusty slow legacy systems 2. Because they do not want to learn new languages and can stay in their comfort zone 3. Because they think it's still 2005 and nobody cares about slow server response times And now Ruby lovers, click on downvote or give your reasons why you still use Ruby…

I downvoted you just because of your anarchical attitude ... That is not the right way to start a healthy/useful discussion.

> That is not the right way to start a healthy/useful discussion.

Maybe you are right but I am just fed up that on HN the forefront of new tech still such old slow technology gets upvoted on a regular base mostly by people fearing their go to tech is vanishing away. Ruby/DHH/its entire opinionated ecosystem is so 2005.

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