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Firefox Will Soon Block Third-Party Cookies

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Re: Firefox Will Soon Block Third-Party Cookies

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For those about to bemoan the breaking of things like Google Analytics: this patch only blocks third party cookies from domains that the user has never visited before. Since 99% of your visitors will have visited google.com, your Analytics should continue to function even after this update.

Except Google Analytics doesn't use third party cookies so it's a moot point. https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection...

Does this mean that GA can't track users across websites?

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For those about to bemoan the breaking of things like Google Analytics: this patch only blocks third party cookies from domains that the user has never visited before. Since 99% of your visitors will have visited google.com, your Analytics should continue to function even after this update.

That's still a piss-poor heuristic to rely on -- especially because it biases your analytics data toward google-users.

It isn't isolated to Google users, it gives control of tracking back to websites that users actually go to.

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why is that creepy? Both websites are related through a retargeter. One sends the data over to the other. It's just like they were the same websites or same corporation. If you don't like this then you can avoid theses websites that sell/buy your information. Although that's a good chunk of the Internet. Just make sure you send private information to trusted sites only.

If you don't like being filmed in public and face-tracked everywhere you go, just don't ever leave home. Can you picture yourself saying that in 10 years?

You are not identifiable from an ad cookie AFAIK and the country I live in has laws preventing companies to abuse in collecting personal data (like IP address)

This is far from being on video. And a lot of places have cameras now in addition to people with phones and maybe Google Glass in the future?

Re: Firefox Will Soon Block Third-Party Cookies

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The psychological requirements to achieve that task and your personal preferences are irrelevant, it is underhanded and obscene. I will not deny that this is a technological solution to a social problem, and yes it is mismatched, but web browsers need to be managed by responsible stewards that protect their users from abuse (it is abuse).

It's just the nature of the global namespace. Makes the world look small. Although I can see how this would have some short term appeal to use Firefox. I may give it another spin hope it's fast and stable.

The nature of the global namespace is irrelevant, with that logic we might as well make every bit of personal information freely available to anybody that wants it. Ambitious and potentially useful? Absolutely, but it's also extremely dangerous.

Personally I will be suggesting Firefox to all of my non-savvy family and friends because I support the idea that their privacy should be respected by default.

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I don't really like this. I work in the advertising industry and retargeting is honestly one of the most exciting things to come out. Sure there are ways of cookieless retargeting, but it is a hassle. I mean, everyone's heard of Samy's Evercookie right? Then there are TCP stack signatures, and other companies like a few European DSPs that use cookieless tracking to track a person (IMO it's quite easy to use a GET pix…

I'm interested in the culture implications of your willingness to comment on a story like this and openly admit that you work in this area of the advertising (surveillance?) industry.

Certainly, I don't think anyone would feel comfortable commenting on a story about SPAM mitigation techniques (without using a throwaway account) with text like "This sucks, I'm a spammer, and I'm really excited about it. Don't like SPAM? Don't share your email address!"

Is there really that much cultural acceptance of your field? I assumed this was the kind of thing you had to awkwardly talk around when someone asks "what do you do?" in a bar where others might overhear your response.

One of the things that shocked me most while working at Twitter was that nobody there uses an ad blocker. Like, I literally couldn't find a single person, and I've always assumed that anyone with the technical ability to install ABP immediately did so. So maybe I'm out of touch? Legitimately curious.

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Would you rather see ads for things that are completely irrelevant? Relevance requires data. Edit: I do believe the user should have more control over what companies are allowed to retarget with an easy opt out mechanism implemented by every ad network as well as a way to limit the frequency. I've experience companies going WAY overboard on their retargeting and it feels stalker-ish.

In short, yes. It never bothered me that TV didnt target me. Same on the web.

It may not bother you but it does bother most of America. They use DVRs and skips ads whenever possible.

Re: Firefox Will Soon Block Third-Party Cookies

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This is awesome. I have had third-party cookies disabled in Chrome for a long time now, and I rarely experienced any issues with embeds (Disqus being the noteworthy exception). While Idespise third-party tracking embeds in general, they have gained significant traction on the web (the worst offender is of course Facebook). Since many people think site owners cannot be blamed for that (I think they can), blocking third-party cookies to me is the next best thing for the end user. Also, it's just intuitive to me; when I visit a shop, and I identify myself to the clerk, why should I automatically identify to all bystanders in the shop?

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Not sure blocking all ads will help the web. All those free sites you visit need to get their money from somewhere.

It would establish the web as a safe and secure platform, and I think that's in the best interest of the web. To hell with your personal ambition to underhandedly monetize other people's users. EDIT: I changed my statement from 'monetize your users' to specify 'other users' as that more accurately reflects the impact of Mozilla's change. Third-party cookies are used for tracking users that aren't yours.

With that statement, you're also saying "To hell with YouTube, Facebook, WordPress.com and every other site that wouldn't survive without money."
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