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Re: OK, you've convinced me. I'm coming to join you.

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I appreciate that you mean well; it seems that you're advising people on how to do something you haven't done, however, which is the same situation as at the top of the thread. My impression is that the best way to meet investors is to live in Silicon Valley. That sounds like it's leaving out a lot of steps...

"My impression is that the best way to meet investors is to live in Silicon Valley. That sounds like it's leaving out a lot of steps, however." You'd be surprised how easy the "get contacts" step becomes when you're in the valley. I was. I fought it for years, as I loved living in Austin. But, events where you can rub elbows with investors happen every single week here...it's a world apart from anywhere else.

Thanks - that comment helped. I'm at that verge now.

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#62
post #6

If you can get something together by Oct 11 for YC's deadline, you can be demoing to investors in March. http://ycombinator.com/w2008.html

I'd love to, but I'm outside the US (Australia)

I think recently they changed the law a wee bit so its easier for Aussies to go to the U.S.

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post #62

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I'd love to, but I'm outside the US (Australia)

I think recently they changed the law a wee bit so its easier for Aussies to go to the U.S.

No offense, but if I had the money (there's six of us, so I'd need a bit) there's a list of places I'd rather go besides the US.

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#9. Family to support http://www.paulgraham.com/notnot.html

Though he did say "I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying that I don't want to take responsibility for advising it." PG is wrong when he says "You'll never found the next Google this way", though. IBM was founded by someone who had a wife and kid to support, and had just been convicted of antitrust violations, fired, and had a 1-year jail sentence hanging over his head (later reversed on appeal). You do need to b…

Well, I've got one out of four....

Re: OK, you've convinced me. I'm coming to join you.

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post #45

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"try lots of stuff until I build something useful, then try to get lots of users, then figure out how to monetize it" Seriously, would you consider business with anyone who worked like that? Stumbling around blindly for an idea, followed by hoping that you'll generate a set of expenses, and then finally hoping that you'll be able to earn revenues. I worry more about you than the bloke with the family to support.

Consumer web. People don't visit websites based on who developed them. They visit them because they want to. It's often difficult or impossible to figure out what consumers want, other than putting lots of ideas in front of them. Usually if you ask them, their responses will be wildly different from what they actually do. (I maintained that Reddit was a failure long after I started using it on a regular basis, and di…

I wasn't intending to imply that people care who developed a website.

But I disagree that you the best approach is to throw things at the wall until you see if something sticks.

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post #66

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Consumer web. People don't visit websites based on who developed them. They visit them because they want to. It's often difficult or impossible to figure out what consumers want, other than putting lots of ideas in front of them. Usually if you ask them, their responses will be wildly different from what they actually do. (I maintained that Reddit was a failure long after I started using it on a regular basis, and di…

I wasn't intending to imply that people care who developed a website. But I disagree that you the best approach is to throw things at the wall until you see if something sticks.

You're both right and wrong; on the one hand it is often hard to figure out what people want based on what they say and trial and error works (lookup "skunkworks") well in many industries as long as you 1) keep failure costs low 2) have methodology to rapidly progress from failures and instantly apply insights. On the other hand, sanj is right to - there are many better ways to go about this. Think about all the things that tick you off about non-technical sites (sites that a larger audience cares about) and I guarantee you 9 times out of 10 if you go to people who use them and ask, "Why do they do this - wouldn't this be better if they did this instead?" most people would agree with you.

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post #41

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> I respond to posts here with specific advice whenever there's a question I feel qualified to answer. You haven't explained how your start-up succeeded without YC. > seen Guy Kawasaki's Art of the Start I hope you're kidding about that.

you're trolling, and its annoying. You asked a question that was impossible to answer (at least succinctly since there are entire books written about the topic). Getting into YC isn't even an answer in itself, other people here are just trying to tell you it is possible to do without YC. You know, people did start companies before YC.

> you're trolling, and its annoying.

No. Objecting to platitudes isn't trolling.

The statements most commonly described as "platitudes" are short proverbs and aphorisms which are intended to motivate or encourage another person, but which are in reality overly-simplistic or cliche; for example, "You will succeed if you try hard enough"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platitude

> You asked a question that was impossible to answer

Wrong again -- funny, because he answered it above, describing what he actually did for years before YC.

It's disappointing how much knee-jerk reactionism there is when people perceive something as raining on their fantasy parade. Critical investigation will help people succeed. As a result of my not accepting the original platitude, the poster supplied much more informative answers.

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post #68

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you're trolling, and its annoying. You asked a question that was impossible to answer (at least succinctly since there are entire books written about the topic). Getting into YC isn't even an answer in itself, other people here are just trying to tell you it is possible to do without YC. You know, people did start companies before YC.

> you're trolling, and its annoying. No. Objecting to platitudes isn't trolling. The statements most commonly described as "platitudes" are short proverbs and aphorisms which are intended to motivate or encourage another person, but which are in reality overly-simplistic or cliche; for example, "You will succeed if you try hard enough" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platitude > You asked a question that was impossible…

The problem is not what you say but how you say it. E.g. "raining on their fantasy parade."

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post #68

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you're trolling, and its annoying. You asked a question that was impossible to answer (at least succinctly since there are entire books written about the topic). Getting into YC isn't even an answer in itself, other people here are just trying to tell you it is possible to do without YC. You know, people did start companies before YC.

> you're trolling, and its annoying. No. Objecting to platitudes isn't trolling. The statements most commonly described as "platitudes" are short proverbs and aphorisms which are intended to motivate or encourage another person, but which are in reality overly-simplistic or cliche; for example, "You will succeed if you try hard enough" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platitude > You asked a question that was impossible…

"Wrong again -- funny, because he answered it above, describing what he actually did for years before YC."

I only answered after clarification on just what you wanted me to say. Your first post was merely a "then why didn't you pass up the opportunity to get advice from YC if it's so easy?!" jab.

I think it's clear that I think YC is a great opportunity for early stage startups--probably the best one going. We accepted funding from YC, and I've never hid that (why would I? it's good for business and for our odds of raising the money we've just begun to raise). But, I also thought it was clear that the steps you need to be successful are pretty well documented if you only pay attention to them, and actually do what you need to do to make things happen.

Moving to a startup hub (really, just the valley) is not really optional if you intend to raise money. Despite all the talk of VCs and angels doing deals elsewhere, more deals happen in a week in the valley than just about anywhere else in a year. If you want money, come to where the money lives. This is the sole reason my first business didn't go where I wanted it to go--I, too, lacked the "connections" to raise the money I needed to build the business I envisioned. I wrongly believed that because a few successful tech companies were started outside of the valley, one could do it entirely outside of the valley just as easily as in the valley. I was wrong, and I've admitted to that numerous times here at News.YC, on my blog, and in frequent conversations. I didn't have a pg essay to tell me otherwise. You do. I also managed to ignore the advice on how to actually get in touch with investors, even though I'd read many books that covered the topic.

You seem to be upset because the advice you're getting for how to get connections seems like hand-waving, because you're having trouble visualizing a world in which you can meet investors accidentally on a weekly basis. You're thinking, "I need someone to introduce me to these people", but you don't. It helps, sure, but so would a magical fairy that could wave your products and the money you need into existence...even having pg on my side doesn't mean I get to relax and let the money come to me[1].

So, what you're calling a platitude was merely encouragement. Encouragement to build a business, regardless of YC involvement. If you can't imagine yourself building a business without pg there to hold your hand[2], then you're not cut out for entrepreneurship, and that's OK, too.

BTW-My first business was a success by some people's definition. It kept me fed, reasonably well paid, and I got to work on my own terms most of the time. I wouldn't have chosen an office job over what I was doing with my previous business. I have larger ambitions than just "not an office job", but I learned a lot. As quite a few others have said, you learn more from trying and failing at running a business than you do working for someone else waiting for the perfect opportunity to start a business to come your way. You have to make your opportunities. This isn't a platitude--it's a fact of life.

1: pg is not a magical fairy.

2: pg doesn't hold anyones hand. He's a hard ass.

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