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The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by droidist2 »

_delirium wrote: post #46
AlexDanger wrote: post #12

I always considered myself a night owl. I'd stay up until 2-3am for the night time serenity. My partner and others disapproved and considered it unhealthy. Now I wake around 3-4 am and get the same night time serenity. But the perception of this patten is different. I'm considered an early riser - disciplined and driven. I've noticed my concentration is much better under the new early rising regime. Here's my schedul…

I've tried this, but find waking up in the darkness hard to get used to. I mean, I can set an alarm and get up, drink some coffee, and pretend I'm now up, but it still feels like weird zombie-time until the sun starts rising to mark it "really" being morning. Whereas when I stay up late the nighttime doesn't feel like that. Could just be familiarity, but seems like the sleep->wake transition happening during darkness…

I agree. Also waking up in the dark tends to depress me. I think I even get more bad dreams when I'm in my later stages of sleep and it's still nighttime. It's like my mind knows it's going to wake up in the dark and it's not happy.

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by endgame »

ngokevin wrote: post #15
AlexDanger wrote: post #12

I always considered myself a night owl. I'd stay up until 2-3am for the night time serenity. My partner and others disapproved and considered it unhealthy. Now I wake around 3-4 am and get the same night time serenity. But the perception of this patten is different. I'm considered an early riser - disciplined and driven. I've noticed my concentration is much better under the new early rising regime. Here's my schedul…

Hm, if I just get a dog, the social weakness in the schedule is solved! Walking the dog at 5am in the park sounds really peaceful. 8pm-4am sounds a lot better. Shifting my schedule later a few hours would be a good compromise. I still get up early, but I don't sacrifice that evening.

I was working on a ship over new year's and was standing dock watch in the early hours of the morning (~2am). A couple of people on bikes stopped by, had a chat about the ship and rode on. Turns out they liked to do their training rides in the morning when there were no cars to get in their way. Besides, it was too hot during the day.

My point is: you don't necessarily need the dog.

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by dfc »

graue wrote: post #57
dfc wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest my generalization has less to do with schedules/who your partner is and more to do with the supply of partners. I think that (in the US at least) in college sex is less dependent on one partner compared to later in life. I read your profile and appreciate the sentiment re: votes. I am not trying to be crude. Within this context this is my best effort at a thoughtful response.

Y'know, maybe I'm off base, but my perception is that for people not in a committed relationship, college sex was basically like this: 1. Go to party 2. Get wasted 3. ???? 4. Wake up hungover: "What, I'm really in bed with this person? WTF, how did that happen?" Anyone disciplined enough to maintain an unconventional sleep schedule, probably isn't doing that to begin with. And doesn't it fall under the general "lack…

My impression/experience was that there were no time or inebriation requirements. But that was a little while ago now so things may be different.

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by vidarh »

antoko wrote: post #32
ngokevin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this sleep schedule is not very sustainable due to can't-miss evening functions. But it is working out very well for me for now because it is late in my school quarter. I spend a lot of time studying and working, and I haven't had any things come up during the evening. Since I'm in school, my rhythm gets messed up easily regardless. Another productivity hack, I use LeechBlock during the day so I limit my Int…

You've only been doing it a week... going to bed at 5pm when it is sunset is well and good in February. Come summer time trying to tell your body to sleep when the Sun is high in the sky might be a big problem. Certainly not impossible but it might not feel so great for you. I fell into a very natural (seeming) sleep pattern from 8am - 3pm which worked for me at the time. That was a lifetime ago though and it simply…

Speaking as someone who grew up in the South-East of Norway, where there's very short dark parts of the night during the summer, it is certainly harder to go to bed when it's light outside, but it is still manageable. Heat was a much bigger issue for me in terms of getting sleep. Dark blinds, and a strict bedtime ritual to calm down and prepare for sleep helps. you get used to it. Up North there are substantial parts (though sparsely populated) of Norway where it doesn't get dark during the night in summer and people still manage.

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by tobeportable »

I did this same thing for the exams of my last year only. Had I known before ....

Here's the pattern :

while exams{

  0. Study

  1. Go to the exam

  2. succeed

  3. Come back, get fresh a go to sleep

  [... idle ... forget everything ... reboot ...]

  4. Wake up, get fresh   & back to 0. for next exam
}

Here's some advantages :

- when you wake up you actually have plenty of time till the exam

- you don't have to calculate how much sleep you will get or when to squeeze it

- your going to arrive fresh at the exam and not fall asleep on your sheet-keyboard

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by hakaaaaak »

Sleeping from 5-midnight is taking the "early to bed, early to rise" thing a little too seriously. Napoleon woke at 4am each morning to get the jump on everyone else, but that didn't help him in the end.

I think that the most natural thing is to (1) sleep when it gets dark and wake when it's light, and (2) not live to close to the parts of the world where that doesn't work because of the length of days and nights.

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by networked »

A few select previous stories on sleep:

– Good sleep, good learning, good life -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5244619

– How Little Sleep Can You Get Away With? -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2548665

– How to Naturally Reset Your Sleep Cycle In One Night -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=739213

– Sleep Deficit: The Performance Killer -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3367789

– Why Entrepreneurs Can't Sleep -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3017740

– Small areas of the brain go to sleep when we're up too late -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2491603

– The importance of sleep in a startup -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3556102

– Poll: How much sleep do you get per night? -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3479410

– The myth of the eight-hour sleep -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3620742

Wikipedia articles I'd recommend reading:

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm_sleep_disorde...

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep-wake_disorde...

Re: The Serenity of a 5pm Bedtime

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Post by n3rdy »

It looks like you didn't get the memo.

Those of us who embrace this magical nocturnal world don't praise it to the day walkers. It gives them the terrible idea that it may be good for them to try. If this pattern were to continue, our reign over the darkness would surely end.

Do be more careful in the future. Thanks.

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