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Sexism and PHP

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Re: Sexism and PHP

#31
I'm pretty sure this is the kind of article that is doing a lot more harm than good to the female gender by shifting the focus from real issue (pay inequality, harassment and such) to trivial and harmless puns.

I sometime wonder if these people (like the CalEvans) are just trolls waiting for a good useless polemic to arise in order to shove down our throat how well behaved they are. Pathetic.

Re: Sexism and PHP

#32

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Juvenile, yes. But offensive toward women? How?

I'm just throwing out my own intuition here, but I think that firstly, there's an implication that you have a penis. You don't? Odd one out. Secondly, if a woman were to say that verbally to a man, there would be a flirtatious connotation, which would lead women to feel uncomfortable wearing a shirt saying the same and hanging around with a load of strangers.

I'm pretty sure women are not forced to wear those shirts in these conventions, but then again I might be wrong.

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I tried to find a picture, and came up with something that was clearly some previous t-shirt; an additional five minutes of scavaging around, and I'm still not finding it (although webandphp.com seems to have some iPhone-specific website which may be blocking me). Given that the premise of "Google juice" is flawed (what happened to rel="nofollow"?), would someone mind providing the context for this (as in, the shirt)…

I think this is the shirt the OP is talking about: https://twitter.com/webandphp/status/261241003204300801

OK guys, no more penis jokes. Will offend women.

Re: Sexism and PHP

#34
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Can you explain? :)

I also didn't get it at first, but I am not a native English speaker. I think it's a play on the phrase "Enhance your penis" that is typical for spam emails trying to sell dubious medication. I understand that, but I fail to see how it's especially offensive women? I consider it primarily against good taste. ;)

It is not offensive at all (i agree it is bad taste, though i didn't understand the joke).

It is sexism if you understand sexism and genderism in its strictest sense: That there is no difference between man and woman - sex is a thing imposed by society - and mentioning things like the penis, the biological difference between man and woman, constructs that change, thus is sexism.

Yeah, as crazy as it sounds.

Re: Sexism and PHP

#35

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Juvenile, yes. But offensive toward women? How?

I'm just throwing out my own intuition here, but I think that firstly, there's an implication that you have a penis. You don't? Odd one out. Secondly, if a woman were to say that verbally to a man, there would be a flirtatious connotation, which would lead women to feel uncomfortable wearing a shirt saying the same and hanging around with a load of strangers.

Thing is, on the internet, penis is kind of a different concept, and not limited to men.

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#36
This is utterly ridiculous. In reality there is street harassment FGM, pay gap, domestic violence, rape, politicians attacking bodily autonomy...but god forbid someone makes a dick joke.

It's bullshit like this that means more and more people are a) not taking feminism seriously any more (women included), and b) leaving the damn movement (my girlfriend and I used to be fairly hardcore feminist activists, but we're so sick of all this shit that our interest is waning. Which is awful, as we genuinely care about equality and smashing the gender divide, but the movement is so plagued by pointless bickering and crap like this, it's an uphill battle).

Re: Sexism and PHP

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I think this is the shirt the OP is talking about: https://twitter.com/webandphp/status/261241003204300801

Juvenile, yes. But offensive toward women? How?

It's not offensive toward women in itself, but in the context, being distributed at a developer conference to promote a magazine, it's sexist.

It marks the territory as a boys club. It basically says "for brogrammers only".

Re: Sexism and PHP

#38
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So what? It's a penis joke? What is so bad about that if it's the case? Honestly, the only thing this (the article) accomplishes is making it appear that women have no humor... If people are offended by this, I simply would not care. I mean, there is nothing more I'd love than to have more women in the programming world, but having people with no humor? Nah, I'd rather pass that then. (If this comes off as sexist or…

The penis joke is not the problem. The perceived offensiveness of the joke is not the problem.

It's the exclusive message it sends: PHP is for people with penises.

The joke itself, and whether or not it is in good taste, is irrelevant. It's the marketing exclusively towards men that is the sexist and offensive part.

Especially in the context where it's hard enough for women to feel welcome and comfortable at conferences that are 90% sausage fest anyway.

Re: Sexism and PHP

#39

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I'm just throwing out my own intuition here, but I think that firstly, there's an implication that you have a penis. You don't? Odd one out. Secondly, if a woman were to say that verbally to a man, there would be a flirtatious connotation, which would lead women to feel uncomfortable wearing a shirt saying the same and hanging around with a load of strangers.

I'm pretty sure women are not forced to wear those shirts in these conventions, but then again I might be wrong.

That's as may be, by making their event t-shirt, they're saying "our demographic is people who would wear this." If you're not in that demographic you feel isolated.

Re: Sexism and PHP

#40

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I'm just throwing out my own intuition here, but I think that firstly, there's an implication that you have a penis. You don't? Odd one out. Secondly, if a woman were to say that verbally to a man, there would be a flirtatious connotation, which would lead women to feel uncomfortable wearing a shirt saying the same and hanging around with a load of strangers.

I saw a woman wear a "Byte Me" t-shirt at the last conference I went to. Who do I talk to about fixing this? :)

i'm pretty sure that choosing to wear a t-shirt that suits your own personality is totally okay, and indeed kind of the point
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