Google is evil, Firefox is dead, Windows 7 is going to revolutionise the operating system world. None of them are true, yet they keep on getting sensationalist coverage in online media. When will the madness stop? Can't we have choice without trying kill off the incumbents all the time?
Firefox may already be
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#12The title should probably say: Firefox may already be dead... for Linux users who care strictly about rendering speed. He may be right in the end (once Chrome gets extensions, it might see wider distribution), but not just because it's faster in Linux. I'm pretty sure that's a narrow market for now.
Perhaps speed is (subconsciously) a more influential factor than we think. I think it is on that basis that Google is rather obsessed with page load times - see eg. https://adwords.google.co.uk/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87... - and presumably they have empirical data backing their obsession.
One thing I don't understand: given that Chromium is under a BSD license, can't Mozilla just incorporate its Javascript engine into Firefox? I'm sure they can pull that off long before losing their huge market share...
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#13As we all know, there are two states in the world: "Fresh", and "dead". Sheesh. Maybe you could at least wait to bury Firefox until after you try 3.1, currently in beta3 (beta3 for goodness sake!) and benchmarking competitively with other current browers? ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html ) I haven't tried Chrome and I haven't tried Firefox 3.1, but I bet the difference isn't so big as Firefox 3.0…
You know, I'm flagging this. This link is terrible, just internet grandstanding disconnected from the facts.
Agreed. I flagged it too... this certainly doesn't deserve the top slot on HN.
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#14What is worst, that pcworld has such junk articles or that this is on Hacker News...?
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#15I'm not sure why the media loves to take the reactionary approach to everything (My favorite was a CNN article yesterday claiming we shouldn't move to "Smart" power grids because hackers can get in. It's as if we should stop the march of progress because of a few misguided people).
Obviously, these people seem to miss the fact that "Better" almost never wins.
Plenty of people still run Windows when there are plenty of arguments that OS X is "Better" (Faster, performs better,etc).
And thankfully Internet Explorer died a horrible, painful death as soon as Firefox shipped. I mean, it was faster & better than Internet Explorer - so of course IE died.
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#16As we all know, there are two states in the world: "Fresh", and "dead". Sheesh. Maybe you could at least wait to bury Firefox until after you try 3.1, currently in beta3 (beta3 for goodness sake!) and benchmarking competitively with other current browers? ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html ) I haven't tried Chrome and I haven't tried Firefox 3.1, but I bet the difference isn't so big as Firefox 3.0…
I've been using the Firefox 3.5 beta (Shiretoko) as my primary browser for a few months now. Despite the occasional crashes its the best browser I've ever used.
Chrome runs circles around Firefox 3, but its no faster than Shiretoko. Combined with the extra ads I have to pull down because Chrome has no extensions its not even a contest.
But even comparing Chrome to Firefox 3, I still don't see Chrome taking a lot of marketshare away from Firefox. Asking a user to change browsers is an extremely hard sell. When Firefox arrived the current offering (IE6) was so bad that browsers were a hair-on-fire problem. I don't think that case can't be made now.
Furthermore, Google's track record for software doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. I'm pretty sure Mozilla will continue to pump most of their resources and focus into Firefox for the foreseeable future. I don't have that feeling about Google.
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#17As we all know, there are two states in the world: "Fresh", and "dead". Sheesh. Maybe you could at least wait to bury Firefox until after you try 3.1, currently in beta3 (beta3 for goodness sake!) and benchmarking competitively with other current browers? ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html ) I haven't tried Chrome and I haven't tried Firefox 3.1, but I bet the difference isn't so big as Firefox 3.0…
I've been using the Firefox 3.5 beta (Shiretoko) as my primary browser for a few months now. Despite the occasional crashes its the best browser I've ever used. Chrome runs circles around Firefox 3, but its no faster than Shiretoko. Combined with the extra ads I have to pull down because Chrome has no extensions its not even a contest. But even comparing Chrome to Firefox 3, I still don't see Chrome taking a lot of m…
I've been using Chrome as my primary browser for about .5 years now. Apart from a few crashes, it has been the best browser I've ever used. I don't see any ads after I click my Readability bookmarklet either. When I shut down my computer a few nights ago, I had 92 Chrome windows open, each with 6-12 tabs. Firefox probably would have died had I tried this. Two things annoyed me about Firefox. When it crashed, all open windows were shut down. Since Chrome spawns separate processes for each window, it doesn't have this problem. Secondly, Firefox took 5-10 seconds to open, and frequently lagged. Chrome opens instantly and has no performance problems on my machine.
Also, could we please stop killing every somewhat-questionable link? The HN conversation surrounding them is typically very interesting. (Until people start complaining about the quality of the articles, that is.)
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#18Google is evil, Firefox is dead, Windows 7 is going to revolutionise the operating system world. None of them are true, yet they keep on getting sensationalist coverage in online media. When will the madness stop? Can't we have choice without trying kill off the incumbents all the time?
Attacks against google, firefox, apple, and praise windows .net mvc, etc?
See a pattern here?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using the Firefox 3.5 beta (Shiretoko) as my primary browser for a few months now. Despite the occasional crashes its the best browser I've ever used. Chrome runs circles around Firefox 3, but its no faster than Shiretoko. Combined with the extra ads I have to pull down because Chrome has no extensions its not even a contest. But even comparing Chrome to Firefox 3, I still don't see Chrome taking a lot of m…
I've been using Chrome as my primary browser for about .5 years now. Apart from a few crashes, it has been the best browser I've ever used. I don't see any ads after I click my Readability bookmarklet either. When I shut down my computer a few nights ago, I had 92 Chrome windows open, each with 6-12 tabs. Firefox probably would have died had I tried this. Two things annoyed me about Firefox. When it crashed, all open…
Regarding ads, the big advantage of AdBlock is that the request is never made to the ad server. Ad includes can get pretty bulky so it makes a difference.
Regarding Chrome, I agree that having one process per window is a great idea. I have to ask though, what are you doing that is best accomplished with 92 browser windows open?
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#20Why is this on top of HN? The dude compares apples to oranges and glosses over one of the most important aspects of FF, which is the extensions. By the time Chrome makes the extension architecture available to the general public and developers start writing useful ones, Mozilla will release a version of Firefox that greatly improves performance of both Javascript and the browser in general. This is FUD at its best.
Why did it get killed? It is certainly more interesting than a lot of the stuff that gets posted from TechCrunch. Poorly written or not, it's an interesting opinion.
I think WebKit is going to kill Gecko.