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Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

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Post by graywh »

gnaritas wrote: post #26
fendale wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, good point. But isn't writing a text editor one of those garden path problems - a near never ending amount of work to get to just what exists already? I guess I also wonder what inspires developers to start new text editor projects too! Perhaps its just dis-satisfaction with what is there already.

There's a reason you have to be convinced to learn emacs or vi, the user experience is horrible until after you've finished climbing a learning cliff. They work differently than just about every other text editor in the world because they're so old that they don't by default use modern hotkeys people are accustomed to. Any debate about them being better really misses the point, it's the dvorak querty argument all ove…

I call ad hominem on the age attacks.

Comparing how emacs and vi/vim are different from other editors and like saying no one will ever use lisp because of all the parentheses.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

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Post by graywh »

hypermatt wrote: post #10

I'm a big fan of textmate, probably my favorite utility on the mac. While things like this and e editor(windows) help, there is still a ton of nice apps only on the mac. As for the Vi and Emacs people, I rather not spend weeks customizing my text editor, I just want something that can color code out of the box and I can get work done.

I've spent years customizing vim and most of it was long after I first started using it.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

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Post by lallysingh »

fendale wrote: post #6
sqs wrote: post #2

I know some Mac users who've said they would switch to Linux if there were a TextMate-like editor available. This could be it.

I don't get why people are building these fancy new editors - You can get both Emacs and Vim to behave Textmate like in many ways. They are both usable everywhere, including in a terminal. No matter which editor you want to use, you have to learn it and it takes time. A few years back I decided between Emacs and Textmate and learned Emacs - the main reason was because I can still use it when I am forced into a termin…

As a follower of Emacs (I'm having a golden GNU built as an idol for the office), I have to say a good part of the problem is knowing where to go for docs. There's still a good bit of oral history to these editors, even if a lot of that is available online.

The last emacs book was published quite some time ago, and no matter how much of it is still valid, it's just not up to par with providing people with the same level of familiarity and desired features as one of the new ones. At work, we're all using gvim or emacs, but most are aching for eclipse or visual studio.

I try to mention ctags to them and they just stare at me blankly. I suspect the field has started to move rather quickly in the UI and lingual diversity fronts, and it's time editors need to diversify as well.

Still, lisp (or the bastard stepchild, emacs lisp) is a very good language for an editor. It's a shame it's the only place I use it.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

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Post by xal »

lallysingh wrote: post #33
fendale wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why people are building these fancy new editors - You can get both Emacs and Vim to behave Textmate like in many ways. They are both usable everywhere, including in a terminal. No matter which editor you want to use, you have to learn it and it takes time. A few years back I decided between Emacs and Textmate and learned Emacs - the main reason was because I can still use it when I am forced into a termin…

As a follower of Emacs (I'm having a golden GNU built as an idol for the office), I have to say a good part of the problem is knowing where to go for docs. There's still a good bit of oral history to these editors, even if a lot of that is available online. The last emacs book was published quite some time ago, and no matter how much of it is still valid, it's just not up to par with providing people with the same le…

No the problem is needing docs. Emacs is software out of a different age of computing where it was not considered a dick move to make people read documentation for changing the color scheme. These times are over but people who got used to it or have acquired mastery of the editor obviously do not feel the pain in that.

I used emacs for 10 years and know lisp quite well but I'm a textmate user now. There are a lot of us.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

#35

Post by proee »

dhotson wrote: post #5
sqs wrote: post #2

I know some Mac users who've said they would switch to Linux if there were a TextMate-like editor available. This could be it.

I'd recommend jEdit. It's my editing weapon of choice for OSX, Linux and Windows. By default it's a bit plain, but the plugins available are fantastic: http://taat.pl/en/jedit/ Download it here: http://www.jedit.org/

jEdit is the BEST. The hypersearch capabilities and windowing options are first class. Three cheers for jEdit.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

#36

Post by gnaritas »

graywh wrote: post #31
gnaritas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason you have to be convinced to learn emacs or vi, the user experience is horrible until after you've finished climbing a learning cliff. They work differently than just about every other text editor in the world because they're so old that they don't by default use modern hotkeys people are accustomed to. Any debate about them being better really misses the point, it's the dvorak querty argument all ove…

I call ad hominem on the age attacks. Comparing how emacs and vi/vim are different from other editors and like saying no one will ever use lisp because of all the parentheses.

Hate to tell you, but virtually no one does use Lisp. It's not ad hominem, it's just the facts; I'm not saying it's right or that's how things should be judged, just that they are.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

#37

Post by gnaritas »

graywh wrote: post #31
gnaritas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason you have to be convinced to learn emacs or vi, the user experience is horrible until after you've finished climbing a learning cliff. They work differently than just about every other text editor in the world because they're so old that they don't by default use modern hotkeys people are accustomed to. Any debate about them being better really misses the point, it's the dvorak querty argument all ove…

I call ad hominem on the age attacks. Comparing how emacs and vi/vim are different from other editors and like saying no one will ever use lisp because of all the parentheses.

Hate to tell you, but virtually no one does use Lisp. It's not ad hominem, it's just the facts; I'm not saying it's right or that's how things should be judged, just that they are.

Re: Redcar: Textmate-ish programmer’s editor for Gnome with bundles support

#38

Post by lucraft »

This comment explains why I decided that Redcar would be my next project. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6f2nh/what_do_y...

This project just lasted longer than most. Other than that, every justification I could offer has already been written in this comment thread.

(author of Redcar)

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