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LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

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Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

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Over 5 years ago I turned down an offer to work at LivingSocial. Last year, I would've been worth $10 million on paper. All of that fake wealth evaporated today. What a mess.

Wow, LivingSocial has now been funded to the tune of $918 million, and really, what is there to show for it? http://www.crunchbase.com/company/livingsocial

I guess they bought a lot of ads.

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#82

Here are a few tips for others startup employees: 1. Take the least amount of stock possible - your startup is statistically unlikely to succeed. It'd be better to bump your salary up $10-20K than to get the stock. 2. Unless it's liquid - it's worthless. 3. Valuations pre-cashflow - are useless. Anybody can value anything at insane levels using just one dollar. I value HN at $1 billion by offering to buy only 1 share…

For those who are considering a so-called "equity" offer in lieu of salary, please read Stas Bekman's post on "Employment and Stock Options Explained (2000)" [1]. It contains some of the best information I've found on the subject, and it's fairly succinct.

[1] http://stason.org/articles/money/investing/everything_you_ev...

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#83

Here are a few tips for others startup employees: 1. Take the least amount of stock possible - your startup is statistically unlikely to succeed. It'd be better to bump your salary up $10-20K than to get the stock. 2. Unless it's liquid - it's worthless. 3. Valuations pre-cashflow - are useless. Anybody can value anything at insane levels using just one dollar. I value HN at $1 billion by offering to buy only 1 share…

You sound like the worst employee ever.

I think that's pretty unfair. The guys who get screwed the hardest and have the fewest places to land are, quite often, the guys on the bottom. What of his post is poor advice for those guys?

(Yes, founders take more risk--though "fuck, out of a job" is not a risk to be minimized. Founders do also get much more exposure and have a better chance of finding somewhere to land immediately if things go south, as well as foreknowledge of the southerly state of things and a head start on finding that escape route.)

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#84

Here are a few tips for others startup employees: 1. Take the least amount of stock possible - your startup is statistically unlikely to succeed. It'd be better to bump your salary up $10-20K than to get the stock. 2. Unless it's liquid - it's worthless. 3. Valuations pre-cashflow - are useless. Anybody can value anything at insane levels using just one dollar. I value HN at $1 billion by offering to buy only 1 share…

You sound like the worst employee ever.

I for one enjoy my employee beanbag chairs :(

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#85

You never would have thought by their office space that anything was wrong... http://www.businessinsider.com/living-social-office-tour-201...

Yep. For those not familiar with the area, LS headquarters are almost literally a stones throw from the White House (read : very expensive real estate).

The "Hungry Academy" mention is easy to miss, but that's actually an entire floor unto itself.

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#86

Here are a few tips for others startup employees: 1. Take the least amount of stock possible - your startup is statistically unlikely to succeed. It'd be better to bump your salary up $10-20K than to get the stock. 2. Unless it's liquid - it's worthless. 3. Valuations pre-cashflow - are useless. Anybody can value anything at insane levels using just one dollar. I value HN at $1 billion by offering to buy only 1 share…

You sound like the worst employee ever.

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Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#89

Here are a few tips for others startup employees: 1. Take the least amount of stock possible - your startup is statistically unlikely to succeed. It'd be better to bump your salary up $10-20K than to get the stock. 2. Unless it's liquid - it's worthless. 3. Valuations pre-cashflow - are useless. Anybody can value anything at insane levels using just one dollar. I value HN at $1 billion by offering to buy only 1 share…

You sound like the worst employee ever.

Yes - realistic employees are the worst - they are so unexploitable!

What companies really need are wide-eyed, earnest, new college grads who have no idea what goes on in the real world, and how much they are truly being screwed by their current startup.

Those guys rock! They work 100+ hour weeks, they don't have families, or commitments and are willing to do it all for mere peanuts and empty promises of golden rainbows!

Sadly - a few years of this turns them into realistic employees - and you need a whole new batch to replace them.

Re: LivingSocial: Employees' and Founders' Common Stock Now Worthless

#90

As an independent restaurant owner, I can't say I didn't expect to see this one day. The model simply doesn't work, at least in our industry. The restaurant loses money on every single "daily deal" that is redeemed. With LivingSocial or (insert any other daily deal site here) taking half of the deal, the restaurant is simply left with 25% of the revenue generated. This does not even cover our food costs, let alone la…

Do you see any discount feasible for giving out? It seems to me that you just lose with discounts, no matter what percentage you share with the middle man.

Edit: later on someone pointed out the usefulness of discounts for repeated transactions. The question is for daily-deal discounts.

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