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Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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mattmanser wrote: post #39
sgdesign wrote: post #12

This is not a criticism of this project specifically, but I feel like when you come out with a framework like this you should have a big "Why you should use Framework XYZ instead of Boostrap" section somewhere, because this is the main question most people will have.

The javascript been written properly? https://github.com/groundworkcss/groundwork/blob/master/js/g... (joke, joke! Well, no smoke without fire...)

CoffeeScript is definitely my language of choice and compiled to highly accurate and optionally minified javascript.

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

acoyfellow wrote: post #46
sgdesign wrote: post #12

This is not a criticism of this project specifically, but I feel like when you come out with a framework like this you should have a big "Why you should use Framework XYZ instead of Boostrap" section somewhere, because this is the main question most people will have.

I think it's fairly obvious as to what the benefit is, considering how many times an app idea that's too "bootstrappy" gets railed on. This seems like a decent alternative for out of the box design. Once/if this becomes popular then it too could become too standard- but for now, it's very different. That's good. As far as design is concerned, I think more frameworks in the market is a good thing. The saturation could…

As with industry, competition most often leads to further innovation and drive to improve a product. ;)

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

x3ord wrote: post #62

Trying not to be excessively critical as building a framework like this is a big undertaking, but the aesthetics are bad, it doesn't differentiate itself, and it managed to crashed my browser. All very troubling, especially for a front-end framework.

Sorry! Not sure what the deal is with the Safari issue related to the tooltips plugin yet. :/

However, as stated in big superscript on the brand name, Groundwork is in Beta and was just published on February 5th (15 days ago). If you would all submit issues and contribute to the project on Github, I bet these bugs will quickly become a thing of the past! :D

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

tomelders wrote: post #7

Using Safari 6.0.2, clicking on the first input on this page crashes Safari with a speed and efficiency that can only be admired. http://groundwork.sidereel.com/?url=tooltips-js I wish Safari could shut down that quickly when I manually quit. No problem with Chrome.

I thought that was pretty bad ass, too. You've gotta give me credit for exposing such a huge bug to Apple. :)

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

taf2 wrote: post #24
tomelders wrote: post #7

Using Safari 6.0.2, clicking on the first input on this page crashes Safari with a speed and efficiency that can only be admired. http://groundwork.sidereel.com/?url=tooltips-js I wish Safari could shut down that quickly when I manually quit. No problem with Chrome.

Just bookmark that and open it to close it

+1 :)

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

marknutter wrote: post #41

What I would like to see is an html/css/js framework like bootstrap or groundwork that is completely generic, with no styling at all; just a wireframe that lays everything out as it should. Then provide the ability to customize the look either manually or by some gui on the web. Otherwise you get a raft of "bootstrap" sites out there that all look the same unless a front-end dev goes through the painstaking process o…

I agree with this -- I aimed at making Groundwork as close to this as possible. Even the button styles (colors, radius, borders, etc.) are all easily customized in the _variables.scss file. I think there's more we can do to make it even more generic of coarse, I encourage you to create issues on the Github page if you find components have too much stylistic direction. :)

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #52
marknutter wrote: post #41

What I would like to see is an html/css/js framework like bootstrap or groundwork that is completely generic, with no styling at all; just a wireframe that lays everything out as it should. Then provide the ability to customize the look either manually or by some gui on the web. Otherwise you get a raft of "bootstrap" sites out there that all look the same unless a front-end dev goes through the painstaking process o…

This is exactly why I switched to Skeleton ( http://www.getskeleton.com/ ). It's a few style sheets which are completely stripped down. It gives you a grid and a set of responsive media queries. Oh sure, there's some very basic styles for buttons and forms, but I ripped those out so it's just the essentials. Now, it just has what you need without bug all to get in your way.

Last I checked, Skeleton is just a grid system and doesn't attempt to be a complete framework (and is basically the old Foundation Grid isn't it? -- I think the guy that made Skeleton used to be a Zurbian) -- We can easily extract the grid system from Groundwork to be stand-alone and use it in the same way. If you'd like, create an issue on the Github page and I'll make it happen!

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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Post by ghepting »

ericcholis wrote: post #5

The screen size simulator at the top is a nice touch. It's also amusing that they use the Orbit slider from Zurb, not bad...just amusing.

hehe, I <3 Zurb, I've followed them and the cool stuff they post on their Playground and have been inspired with what they've done with Foundation over the years, too. Orbit seemed like a great component to include in Groundwork to achieve a MVP. I plan to write a fresh alternative or enhance and contribute to Orbit moving forward. The current version isn't quite as flexible as I want it to be (it needs to properly support content-only sliders with no images, have less image dependencies -- possible utilize SVG/font icons for controls, etc.)

Re: Groundwork - A Responsive HTML5, CSS and JavaScript Framework

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wheaties wrote: post #31
ericcholis wrote: post #5

The screen size simulator at the top is a nice touch. It's also amusing that they use the Orbit slider from Zurb, not bad...just amusing.

Similar name, too. Foundation from Zurb...

Foundation has really tought me a lot and inspired me over the years. I gladly admit that I've been heavily influenced and learned a lot by the amazing work the Zurbians have been doing. I thought about just contributing to Foundation, but had so many ideas and things I wanted to do, that I knew they would eventually tire of reviewing my frequent pull requests :)
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