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Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
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Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Irrelevant. If you don't defend a "Trademark", any rights you have to it go away. You're required to DEFEND your Trademark to keep ownership -- and even if you have a common-law Trademark (which is what you're claiming CMUCL has on "Python"), if you allow someone else to register a Trademark at the federal level and fail to oppose the registration, you can lose your rights that way. IANAL, but I've read a lot about T…
You're missing my point. I'm not suggesting at all that the CMUCL developers would want to stop the PSF from using the name Python. That would be the situation that your argument is relevant to. No, I'm making quite a different point, about the ability of the PSF to stop anyone else from using the name. In order to be able to assert trademark rights against someone else, you have to have a valid trademark to begin wi…
I'm pretty sure they would be fine with stopping anyone from having an exclusive trademark, as a second prize. Because you know, the company in the EU is trying for an exclusive trademark. So, maybe they loose the best option, but win when they don't have to rename everything because it violates someone's exclusive mark?
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#13IANAL, but I think the PSF's trademark is on very shaky ground. CMU Common Lisp has had an innovative, high-performance compiler called Python since before van Rossum invented the scripting language. A Common Lisp compiler and a programming language are, seems to me, very much in the same market space; I do not think the PSF could successfully argue in court that they do not overlap -- certainly not at the same time…
But that's fine right. As long as no one else gets the trademark, then the PSF is happy. Or do I have it wrong?
From the article:
But when at the start of 2012 the PSF heard that POBox intended to launch a product called "Python Cloud" they were alarmed, since Python is widely used in this area. The new product posed a real risk of confusing the public, so the PSF wrote to POBox in January 2012 asking them not to do this and pointing out the PSF registered US trademark.
POBox retaliated by filing the trademark registration application, but the PSF fired the first shot in this battle, trying to keep POBox from using the name.
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're missing my point. I'm not suggesting at all that the CMUCL developers would want to stop the PSF from using the name Python. That would be the situation that your argument is relevant to. No, I'm making quite a different point, about the ability of the PSF to stop anyone else from using the name. In order to be able to assert trademark rights against someone else, you have to have a valid trademark to begin wi…
I'm pretty sure they would be fine with stopping anyone from having an exclusive trademark, as a second prize. Because you know, the company in the EU is trying for an exclusive trademark. So, maybe they loose the best option, but win when they don't have to rename everything because it violates someone's exclusive mark?
See my reply to Volpe below.
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#15I wonder if part of their problem is that they will get sued for poBOX cloud software and Storage -- since there's already another player with a very similar name in the exact same market. ( http://box.com/ )
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#16Regardless of whether or not he had hear of Python (which I find very unlikely), if one planned to register a trademark, one would have to do some research in the first place. And that would involve a google search at the very least. And at least on my results even the bloody _real_ Python (snake) shows up first a dozen or so pages back after only Python (language) links. And his dinky little company never comes up. So, yeah. Pretty obvious he's lying - or very, very dumb. Either way it does not show him in a good light and not as someone I'd like to do business with.
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#17A lot of programmers in my dinky third-world country haven't heard of Python or Ruby - most folks here think web development begins with Java and ends with PHP. That said, I think that CEO is full of shit.
It's one thing for a programmer not to know about the existence of Python, but it's another thing entirely for sysadmins not to know (their websites run Debian). To make matters worse they are trying to develop their own cloud platform, so they would need somewhat more sophisticated sysadmins than if they were just hosting a simple PHP website. I would guess that at some point one of the developers/sysadmins brought…
No technical staff were consulted at all:
Tim confirmed that he'd not involved any technical staff
in the decisions he'd made about the Python product brand,
and told me he regretted that as it would probably have
helped him understand the likely reaction to his trademark
challenge.Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#18A fine example of backpedalling and talking shit.
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#19IANAL, but I think the PSF's trademark is on very shaky ground. CMU Common Lisp has had an innovative, high-performance compiler called Python since before van Rossum invented the scripting language. A Common Lisp compiler and a programming language are, seems to me, very much in the same market space; I do not think the PSF could successfully argue in court that they do not overlap -- certainly not at the same time…
So nobody gets the trademark and we carry on. The problem is a land-grab by a private company wishing to sew up the word 'python' as it relates to computers and software all across the EU.
Re: Python Trademark Filer Ignorant Of Python?
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's one thing for a programmer not to know about the existence of Python, but it's another thing entirely for sysadmins not to know (their websites run Debian). To make matters worse they are trying to develop their own cloud platform, so they would need somewhat more sophisticated sysadmins than if they were just hosting a simple PHP website. I would guess that at some point one of the developers/sysadmins brought…
No technical staff were consulted at all: Tim confirmed that he'd not involved any technical staff in the decisions he'd made about the Python product brand, and told me he regretted that as it would probably have helped him understand the likely reaction to his trademark challenge.
In a quick Google search http://www.google.com/search?q=python&pws=0 (I hope I've killed personalization correctly.) the Python-language gets 9 of the first 10 places, and the Python-snake gets only one place and the news section at the bottom.