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What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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You're still making it way too complicated. If I put 10 gallons into my tank every day, but use 11 gallons daily.. I'm "using up" gas. That's all that matters. Of course, there are many, many, many tweaks to be made, but for the majority of people, who need to lose a massive amount of weight, if they eat less calories than they use, they will lose weight. End.

I've lost a massive amount of weight (170 pounds). It isn't that easy. If it was that easy, I would never have had to go to the lengths I went to in order to lose it and what I have to do to maintain that loss. What the basic calorie-in-calorie-out equation doesn't take into account is that it is a biological imperative to eat . That means you have to find the way to balance those calories that overcomes that. Some p…

First of all, congrats, that's great.

I've attended hundreds of Weight Watchers meetings over many years and I've personally seen at least 1000 people go from being completely helpless with weight loss to losing somewhere between 50-200lbs each. It's a great achievement.

> What the basic calorie-in-calorie-out equation doesn't take into account is that it is a biological imperative to eat.

I didn't say eating less calories than you burn is mentally easy. It takes discipline and hard work, no doubt about it. We all have slip-ups and set backs along the way, which is all part of it. Nothing worth doing is easy.

> And just saying "cut calories" does not work. Three percent of obese people will manage to lose weight by dieting. Do you think they are just "too ignorant" to "get" the equation? Or are they just "too lazy" to do what needs to be done? Because I know that neither is the case.

In my experience watching at least a thousand people lose a massive amount of weight, every single one of them did it by slowly reducing their calorie intake, and increasing their activity to burn more calories. Why did they need WW for that? There are a variety of reasons, though I think Number 1 is that people honestly don't know fries, coke, burgers, chocolate, alcohol, etc. aren't food and you shouldn't eat them regularly. They are so enormously calorie dense they mess everything up.

Reason number 2 is simply being completely and utterly overwhelmed by the contradictory and complicated information about weight loss, causing them to give up completely. This is evidenced by the > 200 comments here.

> Your "engine" becomes more efficient the less you feed it.

Of course it does!

So next week/month will be a different intake/burn than last week/month. It's a constant process to make sure you're eating less than you take in. Although, again being honest here, anyone that is 100lbs+ overweight can likely just cut out one enormous calorie dense food (soda or fast food for a lot of people) and they will lose weight for a long time before they need to re-jig the equation, because they've been eating an enormous number of calories for a very long time.

Don't be confused and think I said it's an easy process to achieve. Many people find it one of the hardest things they will ever do in their lives. I said it's a simple process to understand.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Myth: For a long time people have claimed that calories in just needs to be below calories out. Recent studies have confirmed that not all calories affect us the same way when it comes to weight gain and loss. http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/23/study-the-best-and-wor... Put a stop to this myth. The type of food actually matters!

Lets be perfectly honest here. A person that is 100lbs+ overweight is eating an enormous number of calories just to maintain that weight. I don't even care if the keep drinking coke and eating fries, as long as they cut their calorie intake somewhat, down to below what they are using, they will lose weight. Period. Losing weight at that point is the most important thing. Once they've done that for a while, their body…

> A person that is 100lbs+ overweight is eating an enormous number of calories just to maintain that weight.

The point that you are missing is that this is not necessarily true. In fact, the converse may be true; that obese people require less calories to maintain their weight because they live a more sedentary lifestyle.

> I don't even care if the keep drinking coke and eating fries, as long as they cut their calorie intake somewhat, down to below what they are using, they will lose weight. Period.

> Once they've done that for a while, their body adapts and they'll have to cut more calories, as an ongoing process. In years, they will have lost a lot of weight, and they will have to cut things like Coke and fries, but that's years down the road.

And they will be literally starving, dealing with the effects of malnutrition, and have almost no energy to complete daily tasks. Switching to healthier sources of nutrition first will provide the energy the person needs as well as the ability to control caloric intake, which greatly enhances the chances of success.

You seem to have made up your mind about a subject you know little about. This isn't a simple single-variable equation.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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post #229

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Myth: For a long time people have claimed that calories in just needs to be below calories out. Recent studies have confirmed that not all calories affect us the same way when it comes to weight gain and loss. http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/23/study-the-best-and-wor... Put a stop to this myth. The type of food actually matters!

Lets be perfectly honest here. A person that is 100lbs+ overweight is eating an enormous number of calories just to maintain that weight. I don't even care if the keep drinking coke and eating fries, as long as they cut their calorie intake somewhat, down to below what they are using, they will lose weight. Period. Losing weight at that point is the most important thing. Once they've done that for a while, their body…

The use of sentences like "Period." and "Fullstop." really has become a giant red flag.

I guess that's handy, actually.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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I think he wanted stats.

Correct. It's not that I think the grandfather is unqualified to give advice, his post appears upon a close skimming to be pretty good. I'm just curious what numbers a weight trainee is putting up after a long history of ultra endurance type sports. I've been able to low bar squat 300# at 175lbs bodyweight and full snatch 130# at approximately 145lbs bodyweight at various times in my life, fyi. Nothing to write home…

I weight 200lbs, I focused on muscle building most of last year. This year was going to be the year I focused on strength.

Deadlift: 500 Bench: 295 (this and OHP are a source of annoyance for me) Squat: 350 for 5 (low bar). Haven't maxed in squat in a while...mostly been box squating lately. Box squat (what I actually do most often): 390x2 OHP: 185 (this is a source of annoyance for me)

So, nothing to write home about by any measure.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Can you explain why you think fat is bad for you

There is a well-established link between fat intake and heart disease. [1] Both saturated fat and trans-fat contribute towards increased blood cholesterol and clogged arteries. That research didn't become invalid just because you can lose weight on a low-carb diet. Now unsaturated fats at moderate levels? Absolutely necessary. A bit of saturated fat in your diet? No problem. But a diet that consists of upwards of 20%…

Tell that to the Inuits. ;)

Actually, there's a lot of counterevidence to this "well-established" link between fat and heart disease. The classic on the subject is Gary Taube's "Good Calories, Bad Calories." But also, check out William Davis' blog (he's a cardiologist who recommends a low carb diet.) Or this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648?itool=EntrezSyst....

Remember when eggs used to be bad for you, because they had high cholesterol, and then they became ok again? (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/eggs-regain-reputat...) I'm afraid I don't fully trust any source of nutritional information until I've tested it empirically.

Which I did. I cut out all grains and found that my cholesterol plummeted and I lost a lot of weight (and I have more energy.) That's on a moderate fat diet. I'm just one anecdote, of course. I invite people to experiment for themselves.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Whenever I see a thread like this pop up on HN, I feel a need to reply and dispel some myths. I'm going to do my best to provide a quick, yet thorough summary. I hope this helps. Who am I? I'm a techie and a fitness nut. I've played high level basketball, amateur football, rugby, aussie rules football. I've done some triathlons (not my forte), a couple ultra races (hate them, learned a lot about myself). My current a…

Can I spike my insulin with a can of coke after lifting heavy?

You could. I use gummy bears (main ingredient is glucose) from time to time. Just be sure to take in some protein so the spike can actually shuttle some protein to the muscle. I don't like soda, though, for a variety of reasons. But, if you wanted to you could. After all, it does spike insulin. I probably wouldn't do it all the time but that is mostly because I don't like sodas in general.

FYI, my personal muscle building post workout shake is this: WPI (whey protein isolate)(50+g), leucine (5-10g), creatine(5-10g), dextrose(20-30g), skim choc milk(about 15g carbs). If leg day, I'll probably up the dextrose a bit or eat the aforementioned gummy bears (or other similar treat).

I know quite a few people who do something like egg whites (beaters), WPI, creatine and fruit juice (mostly orange from what I've seen).

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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post #142

As someone who's successfully lost a lot of weight on a low carb / no grain diet, this chart irks me. That a handful of almonds has the same calories as a certain amount of Captain Crunch is irrelevant. The latter will quickly convert to glucose in your body, however, (unlike almonds) and that will make a huge difference in your satiety levels, insulin response (Hello, Metabolic Syndrome!), etc... [1] Some good resou…

You're falling into the standard weight loss trap... "It's too hard, it's too complicated, I'll never lose weight". For the vast majority of people that need to lose weight, keeping it simple is the best thing. Goal: Eat less calories than you use each day. (fullstop!) Once they've lost a chunk of weight, they can start dialing it in with complicated stuff about carbs vs. fat vs. protein etc, etc, etc,

It's conceptually simple, but pretends that the human animal is a lot more rational and a lot better at arithmetic than he really is. It's hard to start going through your day leaving 1/4 of your sandwich uneaten (and our restaurants, etc, are not set up to give you healthy portion sizes). People are bad at measuring their metabolic rate and bad at estimating their calorie intake. They also get hungry and it's really easy to fall back to your old eating habits when your diet plan is "eat the same food, just less of it."

The key to weight loss is sticking to your diet. That means adopting a diet that's easy to stick to. In my opinion, ketogenic diets are easier to stick to (for typical people) for two reasons:

1) there are lots of tasty, filling, foods that fit into the diet; 2) meat/dairy aren't peddled to bulk-up entrees in the same way as carbs (e.g. free tortilla chips and salsa) so cost forces some discipline;

Re: 1. Say you're at a restaurant and want to order a salad. On a low-fat diet, you might have some grilled chicken with bland greens with no dressing and a bread-stick. On the "eat less" diet, you might just leave a quarter of the food untouched and starting at you. On a keto diet, you can slather an ounce of caesar dressing on that salad in exchange for just leaving aside the croutons and breadstick. The first option fills you up, but isn't tasty. The second option leaves you a little hungry. The third option fills you up (because you eat all the greens, which take up volume) and is tasty (because even greens are tasty with caesar dressing).

YMMV, but pretending it's just a simple math equation is stupid and sets people up for failure. It is math, but it's a complex optimization problem. Each food item has two associated values: satisfaction and calories. The goal is to optimize satisfaction at a given calorie budget.

I think on a satisfaction per calorie basis, carb-y foods often lose unless you put fat/sugar in them. What would you rather have for breakfast? A two-egg omelet with an ounce of shredded Parmesan cheese, or a plain bagel (both 280-300 calories)?

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Fad: An intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, esp. one that is short-lived; a craze. Just because the idea came from the prehistoric doesn't mean it can't be a fad.

It's not an idea, it actually happened. People actually ate paleo style for millions of years from necessity.

I just mean it can be true that the paleo diet existed before, and that it is a current dietary fad.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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Eat less calories than you use each day. (fullstop!) While true, that statement is useless. It doesn't take into account the effect insulin has on the ability one has to actually take in those fewer calories. It also doesn't take into account metabolic pathways that allow one to eat more of certain kinds of foods than others. The scientific literature is pretty clear (once you filter out the government propaganda tha…

You're still making it way too complicated. If I put 10 gallons into my tank every day, but use 11 gallons daily.. I'm "using up" gas. That's all that matters. Of course, there are many, many, many tweaks to be made, but for the majority of people, who need to lose a massive amount of weight, if they eat less calories than they use, they will lose weight. End.

You're falling into the oversimplification trap. You can lose weight with a low calorie, high carb diet + running 4-5 hours a week. You can also lose weight with a low calorie, high protein/high fat diet + lifting weights 2 hours a week. Which routine is easier to keep?

I think one of the reasons people fail at weight loss is because of the conventional wisdom of low-fat (read: low-flavor) diets combined with low-effectiveness exercises like running. It's pseudo-scientific crock. If you've tried the CW and failed, try something else. Have a couple of slices of bacon instead of that plain breadstick (and avoid the urge to blow your calorie budget by slathering it in butter!) and instead of spending hours on a treadmill do high-intensity weightlifting 3x30 min a week. For your average sedentary Aeron-chair dweller, that's going to be a far more likely path to success.

Re: What Does 200 Calories Look Like?

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post #142

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You're falling into the standard weight loss trap... "It's too hard, it's too complicated, I'll never lose weight". For the vast majority of people that need to lose weight, keeping it simple is the best thing. Goal: Eat less calories than you use each day. (fullstop!) Once they've lost a chunk of weight, they can start dialing it in with complicated stuff about carbs vs. fat vs. protein etc, etc, etc,

It's conceptually simple, but pretends that the human animal is a lot more rational and a lot better at arithmetic than he really is. It's hard to start going through your day leaving 1/4 of your sandwich uneaten (and our restaurants, etc, are not set up to give you healthy portion sizes). People are bad at measuring their metabolic rate and bad at estimating their calorie intake. They also get hungry and it's really…

You seem to think I'm suggesting eating less food. I am not.

I am saying people need to eat less calories.

They are not the same thing.

Also, anyone trying to lose weight does not need to be eating in restaurants. Obviously this is very difficult for many people, due to convenience, etc. but I suggest that if people can cut down their restaurant visits by 1 a week, they will likely lose weight.

People here seem to think I was saying the process of losing weight is easy, which I did not say. The method is simple to understand, but the execution is often the most difficult thing many people will do in their lives.

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