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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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This is normal, family, doctors, and friends are dangerous: * Hey, you no longer have enough milk! Try giving some more integration with artificial milk. * You'll end killing her because of co-sleeping! * Co-sleeping will increase chances of SIDS! * Let her cry, otherwise you'll always carry her in your arms! * And so forth. My advice is: don't listen to them, they tell you this with good intentions, but the reality…

For "a shitload" of years infant mortality rate was >15% too. How things used to be is not a good indicator of optimal approaches. A scientifically-minded person should not prefer random internet commentators to doctors' when the sole argument proferred by the former is that things used to be a certain way, therefore it's ok.

Doctors are usually learned people who have a lot of helpful (and often lifesaving) advice.

But the fact is, being a doctor doesn't make you an expert in nutrition or diet, and it certainly doesn't make you an expert in things like co-sleeping.

I'm pretty sure the only deaths you'll have these days as a result of co-sleeping is when one of the parents smoked, took drugs or was obese (and usually a combination).

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#73
This article looks like a really amazing resource. I haven't read it all but did a little Cmd+Fing to see if it broached the following topic, and it didn't, so I thought I'd chime in in case somebody else was where I was with these particular sleep issues:

I used to have no problems sleeping at all, falling asleep whenever I wanted to, staying asleep all night, sleeping through noises… until I had mono for the second time and developed chronic fatigue syndrome. The worst symptom was inability to fall asleep, to stay asleep, and the crazy health impact that had (take a normal person and poke them til they wake up several times a night and they will soon develop the symptoms of fibromyalgia).

I would get tired, but never sleepy; none of the usual sleep hygiene stuff helped. I had no racing thoughts, I wasn't lying in bed thinking about all the bad things I'd done or reliving my day. I'd come to grips with all that stuff a long time ago. There was nothing wrong with me psychologically, it was like my body was broken.

I couldn't exercise because of the CFS, I'd be wiped out for days (but not sleeping). Quit caffeine, no help. Warm milk, tea, green tea extract, eyemask, earplugs, whatever, nothing helped. I would start to fall asleep and the slightest sound or movement would wake me. Or a stray thought as I started to drift. Again, not an important thought but I might start dreaming about sofas and where to put the sofa and then BAM, I'd wake up, like somebody ripped the sweet blanket of sleep away from me by main force. Not only would I be awake, I'd be unbearably furious. Sleep deprivation creates an inability to regulate emotion.

Even my body temperature was out of whack, getting cold and warm (yet never warm enough) at all the wrong times. This is one of the major signs of true delayed sleep phase disorder as opposed to psychological or chemical insomnia. (The original article does touch on this but doesn't describe the details: if your morning temperature is very low, and your evening temperature warmer, that's out of whack. My temperature on first waking used to be 96.5 - 97 F, and evening I'd get quite hot, although never above 98 F even though for all of my previous life I'd always been bang on 98.6 F.)

After months of this torture, I finally figured out that it was CFS. I found a book that absolutely gave me back my life: From Fatigued to Fantastic. I got my doctor to prescribe the author's recommendation for sleep troubles (after trying the herbal stuff and experiencing a paradoxical effect).

The sleep recommendations alone gave me at least an 75% improvement in quality of life:

Trazodone is one of only two drugs known to improve sleep architecture -- it's not a hypnotic, it doesn't knock you out, it actually helps you spend more time in deep sleep.

Melatonin at just 300mcg (MICROgram, not mg) to do the "knock out" portion.

Big doses of magnesium at night (I prefer the fizzy Austrian tablets and now I import them). Helps both with sleep, and muscle pain/stiffness from CFS/FM.

For unknown reasons, this current winter has been brutal to me. I've been sick constantly and tired, tired, tired despite the fact that Philadelphia gets at least 3x the sun that Vienna does in the winter and despite the fact that I am taking mega doses of b-vitamins which always helped before. Also I am a lot happier here and work stress is much reduced. Still… exhausted. all. the. time.

Over Christmas, my (Austrian) neurologist mother-in-law heard my winter symptoms and said "You have low serotonin. I want you to be on Welbutrin or Cymbalta." ( she obviously used the Austrian brand names.)

I said, "But I'm not depressed." (And indeed, I am not, plus the 2 meds above were totally doing the trick in terms of falling asleep. The key is that I am too tired to do what I want to do… but I still really want to do it.)

She told me, "That doesn't matter. Low serotonin can simply be a physical deficiency and not emotional."

I said, "OK, but I'm not taking Welbutrin or Cymbalta."

The trazodone I'm on has no "hangover" effect. It doesn't build up in the body and it's not addicting at the doses I take. These other drugs, though, can be opening a serious can of worms.

So with permission from my actual doctor, I got an herbal supplement with huge doses of B vitamins, St John's Wort, Suntheanine (green tea extract), and GABA. This replaced my existing B-vitamin complex. Plus I started taking huge doses of vitamin D because my blood serum levels were ridiculously low (despite the extra sun!) and got my 10,000 lux SAD light habit back in gear.

HUGE improvement.

I have been able to reduce my trazodone dose by 33% and some nights I don't even need the melatonin. I actually get tired and fall asleep like a normal person. Can't tell you how amazing that is after 3 years of sleep problems. (Most amazingly, I have even slept once or twice without earplugs… something I thought I'd never be able to do again. EVER.)

The 10,000 lux SAD light, the Vitamin D, and the herbal supplement has been an enormous improvement. The elements alone don't do the trick for me (I tried), but all 3 in combination make my life so much better.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#74
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" It is everyone's dream to wake up fresh, happy, and ready for action on a daily basis. Sadly, in the modern world, only a small minority lives that dream. Yet the dream is within reach for most healthy people given a bit of knowledge, and a readiness to make some lifestyle sacrifice ." If I click print is says 203 pages. That is not "a bit of knowledge" - not that I mind to spend time on what looks to be a very int…

> You ingest caffeine only in the morning. But that makes no sense. Caffeine binds to adenosine receptors, which have to do with how sleepy you are. But they aren't doing anything in the morning as you've just woken up (think of them as a counter of how long you've been awake). Any coffee before lunch is just a placebo really. From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine > Caffeine's principal mode of actio…

I'm pretty sure caffeine increases stress levels which is what you want, if you need to start focusing on your work.

Of course, too much stress is bad for you, which is why you shouldn't have multiple cups a day...

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#75
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For "a shitload" of years infant mortality rate was >15% too. How things used to be is not a good indicator of optimal approaches. A scientifically-minded person should not prefer random internet commentators to doctors' when the sole argument proferred by the former is that things used to be a certain way, therefore it's ok.

Doctors are usually learned people who have a lot of helpful (and often lifesaving) advice. But the fact is, being a doctor doesn't make you an expert in nutrition or diet, and it certainly doesn't make you an expert in things like co-sleeping. I'm pretty sure the only deaths you'll have these days as a result of co-sleeping is when one of the parents smoked, took drugs or was obese (and usually a combination).

I agree with what you say, but in my experience here in Sicily, I'm sure there is also a good percentage of bad faith. In the hospital where Greta (my daughter) was born, and later in doctors waiting rooms, I saw a lot of mothers actively discouraged to breastfeed their children in a way or the other. Because co-sleeping is a very important factor in the success rate of breastfeeding I wonder if there is also some connection with many doctors discouraging it.

I know this looks odd but I know first-hand people working inside the hospital and I got internal acknowledges about the fact that hospitals received pressurs in the context of breastfeeding once they started to encourage it too broadly. Artificial milk is a 50$/week tax they are able to get from most newborns for months.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#76
post #37

I and my wife co-sleep with my daughter that is now almost 4 months old, this worked very well for us, basically she sleeps the whole night, interrupting us just when she needs some milk. However because she is breastfed it is pretty natural because of co-sleeping so my wife just let she start getting the milk and fall asleep again after a few second. Surely it does not work for everybody but when it works it means t…

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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#77
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tried this (our daughter is almost 6 months old) but every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her. The baby slept well, we did not.

every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her The reason is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_infant_death_syndrome - no one is exactly sure why some babies dies without a visible reason, but there are some correlations. Sharing a bed with parents or other siblings may increase risk for SIDS, but the mechanism rem…

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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#79

This article looks like a really amazing resource. I haven't read it all but did a little Cmd+Fing to see if it broached the following topic, and it didn't, so I thought I'd chime in in case somebody else was where I was with these particular sleep issues: I used to have no problems sleeping at all, falling asleep whenever I wanted to, staying asleep all night, sleeping through noises… until I had mono for the second…

Trazadone and melatonin have helped tremendously in my sleep as well.

For vitamin D you should make sure you get vitamin K in there too:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cof...

http://examine.com/supplements/Vitamin+D/#thingstoknow

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#80
I have to wonder though, since I have several "issues" (waking up tired, lower back pain, tense in the shoulders, bruxism, procrastination, ...) in moderate intensity, if I should just "man up".
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