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Re: Using Silk Road

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this is incorrect, the site does require you purchase a vendor account but this is from the site admin and not from another user. to become a seller/vendor on the site you just need money, about $500 USD I believe.

There is no requirement besides money? Seems like there should be some other act which law enforcement would not want to perform, but which a legitimate seller would.

like what? Send sample product to a deaddrop location?

Re: Using Silk Road

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It's very annoying that the back button doesn't work on your site.

I didn't do anything to break it, and it seems to work fine in my Debian Iceweasel.

Fair enough, I'm using:

Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l

Google Chrome Version 24.0.1312.57

Not sure why the back button doesn't work. Great site/content though! Just a minor annoyance that I thought was on purpose.

Re: Using Silk Road

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That's a pretty nice playbook, but it fails for the reason every attack against SR fails: It doesn't get you the vendors, and they're the only big fish there to catch. At best, you can spend time and money just treading water to keep them in check, but it will never shut them down.

No it removes the incentives to buy there -- the idea that SR is safe -- kills the customer base and so the sellers will leave.

It'll just create demand for a stronger web of trust. When the price on reputation goes up, people will find better ways of appearing reputable. Also, vendors that have been around for a long time will be able to raise prices and/or take on more demand.

Re: Using Silk Road

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I think the easiest attack on SR would not be one of the attacks mentioned in the article (although similar to their second attack, but focused on legal implications instead of fraud), but rather: a. Law enforcement creates a large number of vendor and customer accounts. Due to the pseudonymity, they can create as many as they like and they can't be linked (they may need to create them over time to avoid making the p…

And you won't accomplish anything by shutting down Silk Road. Most of drugs that get in a country don't do it by packages sent by Silk Road. LE (Law enforcement) is already low on resources, so they better use them for bigger 'operators'.

Not to be finicky , but why did you abbreviate law enforcement if you only used it once?

Re: Using Silk Road

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> Think about - there's nothing that stops them from selling pirated books, movies, clothing at a huge discount compared to, let's say, Amazon. And that is precisely when Bitcoins will receive renewed focus from officials all over and g-men will step forth to somehow try to make operations involving Bitcoins illegal.

Books I could see, but only expensive academic material. I'd guess the market for those is fairly small. You don't need to get behind TOR to buy fake clothing (ioffer.com comes to mind, pretty sure there are tons of other sites around who would love to sell you fake clothing straight from a Chinese factory) And why would you buy physical copies of pirated movies if you can get them for free?

> And why would you buy physical copies of pirated movies if you can get them for free?

BluRay market is 5-6 billion dollars. People buy them.

Re: Using Silk Road

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I didn't do anything to break it, and it seems to work fine in my Debian Iceweasel.

Fair enough, I'm using: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l Google Chrome Version 24.0.1312.57 Not sure why the back button doesn't work. Great site/content though! Just a minor annoyance that I thought was on purpose.

Well, if you figure out what was going on (could be Cloudflare doing optimization, or maybe Hacker News inserting a redirect?), please contact me.

Since I'm on Iceweasel I don't always see issues in other browsers - for example, apparently all my MathML was broken for the longest time in Chromium because they just didn't support it.

Re: Using Silk Road

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To me the problem is the delivery system. Everything is completely untraceable up until the very second you enter your home address. Is there really a feasible way to evade this liability? Maybe there is a market for truly anonymous "po boxes" or something? How else do you keep the last step anonymous?

I guess you could always enter your address but not your name. In case of trouble you could always argue that it was sent from/to someone else and has no connection to you.

I've seen the same tip, with one added step: don't open the package for 24-48 hours. If the package is being tracked and the police is waiting to pounce once delivery has been made, you don't want to be caught with an opened box. If unopened you can fake innocence and say you were meaning to send it back.

Re: Using Silk Road

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What personal drug habit requires $50k? If it is blow, that's at least an 8-ball every single day for a year. I can only guess you're buying that volume of drugs to resell it. Which is essentially why the guy in NZ was caught.

That's $135 per day. So to put it in percpective, at SR prices, thats 1.5 OC80 (OxyContin 80mg - oxycodone) pills per day. That's a far cry from people who do 10-20 of those.

Wow, guess I never did the mathematics on an opiate addiction before. And people say smoking is an expensive addiction!

That's a massive amount of money for a couple of (very cheap to produce) tablets each day.

Re: Using Silk Road

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What personal drug habit requires $50k? If it is blow, that's at least an 8-ball every single day for a year. I can only guess you're buying that volume of drugs to resell it. Which is essentially why the guy in NZ was caught.

That's $135 per day. So to put it in percpective, at SR prices, thats 1.5 OC80 (OxyContin 80mg - oxycodone) pills per day. That's a far cry from people who do 10-20 of those.

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Re: Using Silk Road

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What types of items have you purchased, and what's the loss rate? Does it vary with types of products? I have an HSA insurance plan where I effectively pay out of pocket, so I'm starting to get more and more tempted to buy non-US drugs for which I have or could get a valid US prescription. Not particularly drugs of abuse, but something like ciprodex (ciproflaxin antibiotic + dexemethasone (steroid) otic (ear drops);…

Things like antibiotics, ssris, antivirals and other mainstream drugs that aren't abused are often available relatively inexpensively from online pharmacies based out of India due to their price controls and flexible intellectual property laws.

How do people find reputable online pharmacies that sell real meds?
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