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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

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Post by tadfisher »

sergiotapia wrote: post #47
purephase wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tried this (our daughter is almost 6 months old) but every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her. The baby slept well, we did not.

Ditto. When I had my first son my wife and all nearly killed each other due to lack of sleep, we would take shifts so there were a pair of eyes on him always. At least until he was around 7 months old. SIDS is real, and is not worth it. The same thing happened when my daughter was born. Heh, well, with my baby girl I never slept. I kept an eye on her like a HAWK.

I feel like there should be an easy and failsafe technical solution to this.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#52

Post by alexkus »

TwistedWeasel wrote: post #33

Maybe co-sleeping is great for some families, maybe not for others. My kids (4 and 2) are impossible to sleep next to, they wriggle and kick and force me to the edge of the bed. In their own rooms they sleep just fine but they are still the primary cause of any bad sleep patterns I have. I consider both my children to be fairly good sleepers but they still get up at 6am every day no matter what and when one of them i…

No chance of co-sleeping. Daughter likes to sleep diagonally when in our bed and spends most of the night kicking me and pawing at my wife's face/hair. Joy.

Luckily she has pretty much slept through the night (7pm to 7am) from 3 months old. This was good until ~2 years old when she started waking in the night and wanting to sleep in our bed. Having to put her back again and again until it sinks in isn't good for sleep. That has mostly settled down but then being 3 she's in the final stages of potty training so she's up occasionally in the night to want to go to the toilet (as she becomes aware of the need to wee) but it shouldn't be long before she's doing that all on her own (although I'll still probably wake up from the noise of her clattering around).

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#53

Post by MartinCron »

Swizec wrote: post #7
vanderZwan wrote: post #2

" It is everyone's dream to wake up fresh, happy, and ready for action on a daily basis. Sadly, in the modern world, only a small minority lives that dream. Yet the dream is within reach for most healthy people given a bit of knowledge, and a readiness to make some lifestyle sacrifice ." If I click print is says 203 pages. That is not "a bit of knowledge" - not that I mind to spend time on what looks to be a very int…

> You ingest caffeine only in the morning. But that makes no sense. Caffeine binds to adenosine receptors, which have to do with how sleepy you are. But they aren't doing anything in the morning as you've just woken up (think of them as a counter of how long you've been awake). Any coffee before lunch is just a placebo really. From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine > Caffeine's principal mode of actio…

Any coffee before lunch is just a placebo really

A tasty and enjoyable placebo that keeps me from getting a caffeine withdrawal headache.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#54

Post by antirez »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #50
antirez wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is normal, family, doctors, and friends are dangerous: * Hey, you no longer have enough milk! Try giving some more integration with artificial milk. * You'll end killing her because of co-sleeping! * Co-sleeping will increase chances of SIDS! * Let her cry, otherwise you'll always carry her in your arms! * And so forth. My advice is: don't listen to them, they tell you this with good intentions, but the reality…

For "a shitload" of years infant mortality rate was >15% too. How things used to be is not a good indicator of optimal approaches. A scientifically-minded person should not prefer random internet commentators to doctors' when the sole argument proferred by the former is that things used to be a certain way, therefore it's ok.

Probably not because of co-sleeping, many researches think that co-sleeping shows a correlation without actual causality.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#55

Post by alexkus »

vanderZwan wrote: post #2

" It is everyone's dream to wake up fresh, happy, and ready for action on a daily basis. Sadly, in the modern world, only a small minority lives that dream. Yet the dream is within reach for most healthy people given a bit of knowledge, and a readiness to make some lifestyle sacrifice ." If I click print is says 203 pages. That is not "a bit of knowledge" - not that I mind to spend time on what looks to be a very int…

> You ingest caffeine only in the morning.

I have slept so much better since switching to decaf[1]. I do miss a good coffee, but then some cafes do a good decaf and I'm quite happy drinking instant (decaf) coffee; it's also saving me a load of money[3].

> You avoid alcohol in the evening.

So it's OK in the morning then? Oh, I see.

1. Most decaf is not completely caffeine free but it's generally 10% (at most) of the caffeine.[2] 2. And I've never really drunk Coca-Cola or anything other soft drinks with caffeine in them. 3. An £8 a (work) day coffee habit is close to two years off my mortgage.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#56

Post by antirez »

tsewlliw wrote: post #48
Evgeny wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her The reason is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_infant_death_syndrome - no one is exactly sure why some babies dies without a visible reason, but there are some correlations. Sharing a bed with parents or other siblings may increase risk for SIDS, but the mechanism rem…

"Safe Sleep". Hopefully that campaign of education will eliminate the idea that these infants are just randomly dying and promote -- the mechanism is not unclear, just nobody wants to tell a grieving parent that they are responsible for death of their child.

Are you sure? We are talking about children that after autopsy are not found with a clear cause of death. See the wikipedia page about that.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#57

Post by purephase »

Evgeny wrote: post #46
purephase wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tried this (our daughter is almost 6 months old) but every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her. The baby slept well, we did not.

every bloody doctor, nurse, family member etc. that we discussed this with put the every living terror in us about accidentally killing her The reason is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_infant_death_syndrome - no one is exactly sure why some babies dies without a visible reason, but there are some correlations. Sharing a bed with parents or other siblings may increase risk for SIDS, but the mechanism rem…

We know all this, which is why I didn't sleep while Mum and baby were in bed. It was the only way that we could get my daughter to sleep for a few hours at a time. All other methods (co-sleeping devices, cradle at the side of the bed, crib at the bottom) were not successful (or marginally better).

The simple fact was that she needed to be close to Mum.

Things are better now, but it honesty felt like we were all going to drop dead at around the 2 month mark. I've never been so exhausted in my life.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#58

Post by purephase »

tadfisher wrote: post #51
sergiotapia wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. When I had my first son my wife and all nearly killed each other due to lack of sleep, we would take shifts so there were a pair of eyes on him always. At least until he was around 7 months old. SIDS is real, and is not worth it. The same thing happened when my daughter was born. Heh, well, with my baby girl I never slept. I kept an eye on her like a HAWK.

I feel like there should be an easy and failsafe technical solution to this.

There are a lot of them, but nothing replaces skin-on-skin touch. In our case, it was the only way we could get my daughter to sleep.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#59

Post by kevinskii »

tadfisher wrote: post #51
sergiotapia wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. When I had my first son my wife and all nearly killed each other due to lack of sleep, we would take shifts so there were a pair of eyes on him always. At least until he was around 7 months old. SIDS is real, and is not worth it. The same thing happened when my daughter was born. Heh, well, with my baby girl I never slept. I kept an eye on her like a HAWK.

I feel like there should be an easy and failsafe technical solution to this.

Companies like Angelcare sell a "baby movement monitor" sleep pad that sounds an alarm if the infant stops moving for 30 seconds. It's sensitive enough to detect movement from breathing alone.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life

#60

Post by Domenic_S »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #50
antirez wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is normal, family, doctors, and friends are dangerous: * Hey, you no longer have enough milk! Try giving some more integration with artificial milk. * You'll end killing her because of co-sleeping! * Co-sleeping will increase chances of SIDS! * Let her cry, otherwise you'll always carry her in your arms! * And so forth. My advice is: don't listen to them, they tell you this with good intentions, but the reality…

For "a shitload" of years infant mortality rate was >15% too. How things used to be is not a good indicator of optimal approaches. A scientifically-minded person should not prefer random internet commentators to doctors' when the sole argument proferred by the former is that things used to be a certain way, therefore it's ok.

A scientifically-minded person realizes that doctors people too, with their own biases, agendas, and misinformation. A scientifically-minded person would seek out research to determine the best course of action.
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