Rails is a Ghetto (retracted) • Hacker News Board

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by petercooper » Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 6:35 AM UTC

vjt wrote: post #35

marksutherland wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, if he'd actually done that, that would be fine. But in the past month he's flamed the music industry after doing a piss poor job of researching his claims then retaliated with a giant rant and personal attacks when folk disagreed with him. WTF are we still paying attention to him, and why is he still getting to the top of the HN front page when he's done nothing of any real worth for the past year, apart fr…

That's not true: he was able to write the right software at the right time[1], when nobody else had will/time/whatever to scratch their own itch. The Mongrel HTTP library is today the de-facto standard for running Rails applications, and on it companies like Engine Yard based their business. Like was previously said in this thread, he's a passionate hacker, and puts his passion on his sleeve. While I don't particular…

The Mongrel HTTP library is today the de-facto standard for running Rails applications,

No it's not. At least, not in this survey of 1100 folks who are deploying Rails apps. http://rails-hosting.com/Results/SurveySummary.html

It was the de facto standard, but Passenger has taken the baton in the last several months.

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by Manfred » Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 7:49 AM UTC

bprater wrote: post #31

bouncingsoul wrote: post #11

I've never said anything about a Zed Shaw link before, but this has my hands up in the air. What comes to my mind is a fumbling art student who's been called out on a bad piece, so he's now claiming it's a parody of bad work, or, no wait, actually the reaction of everyone to the poor piece is the piece. He trots out the persona argument all the time, but I won't give it to him. A persona isn't a set of fake glasses,…

You know, I don't have anything bad to say about the guy. I understand what it's like to put your persona out there. (And if you don't believe everything we put out on the Internet is, at a minimum, part persona -- you're full of shit.) Wearing your passion on your sleeve can be intoxicating, but also painful. (Notice my last parenthetical statement, I'm passionate -- but I'm prepared to have folks zoom in and focus…

I've met Zed a few times and I can tell you that he's not some scheming mastermind who wants to trick the world in believing anything, he's an honest and passionate person.

The only thing you might be able to hold against him is that in his enthusiasm he can also be rather erratic. I would hardly call that a problem, we all like a little bit of commotion and change.

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by Manfred » Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 7:56 AM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #41

vjt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true: he was able to write the right software at the right time[1], when nobody else had will/time/whatever to scratch their own itch. The Mongrel HTTP library is today the de-facto standard for running Rails applications, and on it companies like Engine Yard based their business. Like was previously said in this thread, he's a passionate hacker, and puts his passion on his sleeve. While I don't particular…

The Mongrel HTTP library is today the de-facto standard for running Rails applications, No it's not. At least, not in this survey of 1100 folks who are deploying Rails apps. http://rails-hosting.com/Results/SurveySummary.html It was the de facto standard, but Passenger has taken the baton in the last several months.

Although you're probably right about Apache + Passenger becoming the de-facto for running Rails applications, I personally think that Mongrel is still ahead by a bit.

The Rails Hosting 2009 survey shows that the test group uses Passenger more, but the people in this group are not a random sampling. I would argue that people ahead of the curve are also the people who find it inviting to fill out such a survey.