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Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by sharondio »

patrickaljord wrote: post #35
camus wrote: post #34

ok here is my take : AngularJS : + MVVM : databinding + Dependency Injection, so no global state, and loose coupling + Well organised into services , view models ,directives , filters , ... - forget any projects that are animation/transition between views heavy, you'll fail - doesnt play well with some other frameworks ( requireJS, jQuery mobile , even phonegap ...) - is slow when dealing with a lot of data. - no con…

> forget any projects that are animation/transition between views heavy, you'll fail Animation is coming to the next version. It's already possible but you have to do it yourself. > doesnt play well with some other frameworks ( requireJS, jQuery mobile , even phonegap ...) * https://github.com/tigbro/jquery-mobile-angular-adapter * http://briantford.com/blog/angular-phonegap.html > is slow when dealing with a lot of…

"You don't have to understand DI to use it. I know I didn't."

LOL...me neither. I also don't get how someone could do anything beyond "Hello World" and not use DI as it seems to be pretty integral to how Angular works.

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by UweSchmidt »

rxcfc wrote: post #88
UweSchmidt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the capabilities of the Angular team are quite respectable as well. Speaking of "reach" and thought leadership makes think of the fact that these guys are working at Google! This seems to have several positive aspects: a) Possibly a more solid stance on development (stable APIs, not ditching a project and rewriting (Sproutcore -> Ember). Sorry if I simplify too much here. b) Being a little "strategic" for Goo…

a) Are you proposing that Ember should have stayed SproutCore? To date, Ember has been far more successful than SproutCore and the split has enabled us to make progress that could not have been made otherwise. b) The Ember developers also have influence over those who work with web standards too. Yehuda Katz, of the Ember Core Team, is a member of TC39 and also W3C TAG. We regularly meet and converse with developers…

Thanks for the information!

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by ganarajpr »

camus wrote: post #87
Kiro wrote: post #81

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Just create a custom binding (or whatever it is called, using knockout terminology here) which fades it via a jQuery fadeOut?

nope , you have very little control over how angularJS destroy dom nodes.

You are partially right... partially wrong.. You lose control for it only when you use ng-repeat.. you could alternately write your own repeat directive that does animations for adding or removing.. If your are not yet in a state to write this level of a directive yourself, you still have a few options. I remember someone had written a fadey directive that does fading animation, there is also a fork which does animation with ng-repeat. And if you can wait, this fork will be merged into the core angular , hopefully soon...

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by mping »

For me, Angular displays the right balance beween complexity and ease of use. After getting past some of barriers (the transclusion docs could be more easily explained, specially with some images), I find it pretty easy to use, and it's great for complex apps. Never used Ember though, after using Spring for so long, dependency injection comes naturally.

Some people mention Backbone, I think it's great if you're very comfortable with JS, otherwise you'll end up replicating bits of other frameworks by hand or using lots of 3rd parties (ex: databinding, validation, complex model interaction, view cleanup).

Anyway, take a few days to get the feel of each and choose according.

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by anglebracket »

codygman wrote: post #14

I have limited experience with javascript and MVMM's and cannot answer all the questions, but here is what I do know: Which is best overall? Not enough experience with ember.js to comment. Common gotchas for angular: It's a very different approach when compared to using jquery for everything. The documentation can seem a bit daunting at first, as described in the popular post about why discourse chose ember.js. "The…

John Lindquist's videos are a godsend when it comes to learning Angular. His videos finally convinced me to switch to doing all of my web development in IDEA (since I had a license anyways) with the AngularJS plugin.

I found out about his videos through the other ones he put on JetBrains TV[0]. If you're looking for an absolute crash course in AngularJS, the ones on JetBrains TV are the best.

[0] http://tv.jetbrains.net/channel/webstorm/angularjs , http://tv.jetbrains.net/videocontent/angularjs-custom-compon...

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by swah »

My doubts:

- If a great amount of my functionality isn't covered by the directives - say my app does the bulk of interactions with Raphael.js instead of forms/checkboxes - is Angularjs still worth to include, or should I go with something lighter?

- (similar) If I'm going to use a lot of jQuery plugins or external libraries, say jPlayer + D3.js + jQuery File Upload, etc - is Angular gonna get in my way when using them?

In other words, would you write those frontends with AngularJS? (Perhaps we should ignore the very short load-time requirement...)

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Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by mgrassotti »

toddh wrote: post #65
rxcfc wrote: post #60

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The docs are actually quite good now. As we've just released 1.0 RC, the API is also frozen which will help the docs improve even further.

The guides are good, but I'm missing the whole put it all together to make a real app tutorial type level of documentation. Can you point me to something like that?

The recent peepcode ember video pulls things together nicely, but of course it's not free. https://peepcode.com/products/emberjs

Also there is a great example project available here: https://github.com/dgeb/ember_data_example

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by atomical »

eduardordm wrote: post #77
shad0wfax wrote: post #48

I think deciding on this will be hard and frankly subjective. My suggestion is that you try both for a small project and decide for yourself what makes you feel at home. It should not take more than a couple of days to assess it yourself. As for me, I decided to go with Ember.js. To be frank the final decision was between Ember and Angular (over all other frameworks) and I felt that getting past the learning curve of…

Your comment is among the sanest in this thread, thanks. The single most important thing you said is: "It should not take more than a couple of days to assess it yourself." If you are a serious web developer, you should know the basics of both, they are both great in their own way. Every project have its own requirements and sometimes both libraries will not be suitable, sometimes you will want to go with backbone or…

What do you mean by default?

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by mattmanser »

eduardordm wrote: post #77
shad0wfax wrote: post #48

I think deciding on this will be hard and frankly subjective. My suggestion is that you try both for a small project and decide for yourself what makes you feel at home. It should not take more than a couple of days to assess it yourself. As for me, I decided to go with Ember.js. To be frank the final decision was between Ember and Angular (over all other frameworks) and I felt that getting past the learning curve of…

Your comment is among the sanest in this thread, thanks. The single most important thing you said is: "It should not take more than a couple of days to assess it yourself." If you are a serious web developer, you should know the basics of both, they are both great in their own way. Every project have its own requirements and sometimes both libraries will not be suitable, sometimes you will want to go with backbone or…

I suspect in a couple of years time no-one will be using ember.js as it presently is.

They use methods to access properties and hide the actual properties away in an internal array.

This is because ECMA 3 doesn't have get/setters for property changed notifications. It's one of those things you can't shim. ECMA 5 does support get/setters, so once you don't have to support IE8, using it as it presently is will be silly.

It's a ticking time bomb. If you're using ember.js you can't write normal javascript, which is why I think it won't get any serious penetration. Or I hope it doesn't anyway as I've used libraries that do this before and it gets old fast.

Re: Ember.js or Angular.js?

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Post by boubiyeah »

To people saying "backbone", stop. Backbone is a tiny abstraction that pretty much does nothing; It's the worst of both worlds: You have to use fake getters/setters but the framework is absolutely unhelpful.

Angular is more developer friendly as it avoids crappy string templates and let you program to POJOS; Programming with POJO in Javascript circa 2013 has a big performance cost that might be very noticeable in some cases (Mobile, low spec devices, sites with a lot of interaction/server pushes). Basically Angular simply DOES NOT scale by design, but 90% of websites will still be kind of ok (This gray line is exactly why I don't use Angular :) ).

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