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Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by coldtea »

wazoox wrote: post #5
nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

Python significant white space. Really, that's what preventing me for ever liking Python.

Get an editor that shows whitespace.

(Non)Problem solved.

Not to mention you should indent your code exactly the same way (in a consistent format, either tabs or spaces) with how you'd indented Python code.

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by edwinnathaniel »

nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

Universal on NIX systems.

Python has a few 2.x versions depending on the Distros. Some distros may opted to go 3.x only.

Ruby isn't necessarily universal on NIX systems.

Perl is.

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by autarch »

nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Python instead of, let's say Ruby, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument)

...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way!

(don't get me wrong, I'm not a Python hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a much better place if David Heinemeier Hansson would have learned Python and written a nice Python web framework instead of inventing Rails :) )

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by rotten »

joel_perl_prog wrote: post #8

Great talk! I've never posted before, but I'm inspired to today. Forgive me if my code is formatted terribly this post. I used Perl back around 2000, like everybody else, to make CGIs. Then went away from it for a long time. But I've used Perl over the last year to create a large DMCA takedown system, the bulk of which is spidering and analyzing web pages for infringements. Torrent trackers, one-click file download s…

Well, there is 'Moose' if you want to do OO Perl: http://moose.iinteractive.com/ Some folks I know swear by it. I just find Perl hard to read and not very intuitive. My perl loving friends, on the other hand, claim the opposite. I guess it depends on how your brain works and what you are used to.

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by [deleted] »

nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

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Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by bryanl »

autarch wrote: post #13
nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Python instead of, let's say Ruby, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Python hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a m…

Ruby doesn't have great support for math, science or AI. There are projects out there trying to make the ecosystem better, but currently it trails Python.

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by eCa »

nnq wrote: post #2

...don't get mad for the question, but: anybody has any arguments for using Perl instead of, let's say Python, these days? (besides the "I already know it incredibly well" argument) ...cause the lack of an answer to such a question has only one conclusion: the language is dying, even if this is not already happening in a visible way! (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Perl hater, and fyi, I think the world would be a muc…

That question can be turned around: Why should someone use Python (or Ruby) instead of Perl?

For someone who hasn't used any of those, I'd say give each of them a few hours and see which style suits you best. Of course, try to find modern examples to learn from. When it comes to Perl that means:

* Mojolicious [1] (or Dancer [2]) as the web framework

* DBIx::Class [3] as the ORM (maybe with some sugar [4])

* Moose [5] (or Mouse or Moo) as the object system

[1] http://mojolicio.us/

[2] http://www.perldancer.org/

[3] https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class

[4] https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class::Candy

[5] https://metacpan.org/module/Moose

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by falsedan »

joel_perl_prog wrote: post #8

Great talk! I've never posted before, but I'm inspired to today. Forgive me if my code is formatted terribly this post. I used Perl back around 2000, like everybody else, to make CGIs. Then went away from it for a long time. But I've used Perl over the last year to create a large DMCA takedown system, the bulk of which is spidering and analyzing web pages for infringements. Torrent trackers, one-click file download s…

why aren't you using POD for your documentation

why are you mistakenly using prototypes for function signatures

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by pfortuny »

The fact that they "like" the language.

Not noticing it does not equal "nonexistent". Your perceptions do not describe the whole reality.

Any turing complete language can do any job. As long as they are not astoundingly unequal, which is not the case, people choose based on... taste.

Re: The Perl Renaissance

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Post by falsedan »

nnq wrote: post #7
drucken wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- CPAN - efficient and compact regex scripts - one-liners. Of course, some of these could be considered a reason NOT to use Perl depending on your specific circumstances.

CPAN ~ pypi ~ rubyforge. Ruby allows you to write decent one-liners too, though people don't like to use it this way. the only argument I can extract from this is "Perl has a much nicer syntax for working with regexps", and I agree with this (and I hate it when other languages don't fully embrace regexps and treat them as first class citizens). but that's the thing, not even the "reasons not to use it" are unique to…

work uses pypi every day, and I had to set up a caching proxy because mirrors are frequently unavailable. It was inconceivable coming from CPAN that the major package distribution network for a major language may be down.
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