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Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by chrischen »

fotbr wrote: post #33
garry wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Brad said -- this one is not to be sold. We'll charge money and keep the lights on no matter what. We want to provide this service like a basic utility like water and power, because that's what having a voice on the Internet should be.

Why should I trust that this will last longer, given the same people are involved? The fact that you charge $5 / month? What do I get for $5 / month versus, say, my own VPS running whatever blog software I choose for the same money (or less)?

Well for one you wouldn't have to maintain the VPS or blog software...

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by Jeraimee »

I don't trust it. After having to get another VPS and build (read: piece together) my own Posterous-like system (it's not half as good) I've already paid $$$. Paying these guys 5 bucks more with no way to know the same thing will or won't happen doesn't seem sane. The system doesn't even WORK yet! How dare they.

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by garry »

jbail wrote: post #31

How can anyone believe this will hold true? Especially coming from the founders of Posterous who sold out and then shuttered their service? Was Posterous created to not be sustainable? If so, then Posterous's users were duped from the get go into using something that the founders knew wasn't sustainable and would eventually disappear. That's not a good way to treat users and it surely doesn't inspire confidence in th…

When I started working on Posterous in 2008, I intended to work on it forever. It didn't work out that way, and I left in January of 2011. It was a venture-funded company by then and we were committed to super-growth, not sustainability. We never started charging for the product.

Posthaven is the result of my experience with that. I know the world needs a simple, clean, well-lit, easy place to post. One that doesn't force us to make the same kind of product decisions that we had to before.

I promise you we are focused on making this a long term project. It's not a startup and Brett and I are committed to making it work over the long haul.

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by bcoates »

lkrubner wrote: post #36
bradgessler wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a pledge: Our pledge to you... We'll never be acquired. We'll always keep your URL's online. We'll always keep it the best place to post. And they charge $5 per month, so the sustainability is more clear. I've talked to Garry and Brett about Post Haven and they are genuinely committed to making this work as they pledge on the website.

About this: >And they charge $5 per month, so >the sustainability is more clear. In 1996, Geocities began offering a deal: pay $4.95 a month and no ads will be shown on your site, and you get to use your own domain for your website. I signed up immediately. 3 year later, Geocities was acquired by Yahoo. 10 years later, Geocities was closed: http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php There is nothing really permanent about…

Aren't those Geocities Plus sites still up?

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:geocities.com

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by garry »

Jeraimee wrote: post #42

I don't trust it. After having to get another VPS and build (read: piece together) my own Posterous-like system (it's not half as good) I've already paid $$$. Paying these guys 5 bucks more with no way to know the same thing will or won't happen doesn't seem sane. The system doesn't even WORK yet! How dare they.

We just fixed a major problem with our HAProxy instance. The floodgates are open and everything is working awesome now. Please come back and give us another chance.

We had no idea when Posterous would shut down -- it's been a project Brett and I have been working on in our spare time for a while and we had to literally scramble to get this into launch-ready state.

We fixed it (in case you're wondering, make sure your HAProxy Maxconn setting is high enough, say 1024 connections, if you're serving static assets behind it in addition to dynamic content.) and we hope you'll give us one more shot.

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by garry »

fotbr wrote: post #33
garry wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Brad said -- this one is not to be sold. We'll charge money and keep the lights on no matter what. We want to provide this service like a basic utility like water and power, because that's what having a voice on the Internet should be.

Why should I trust that this will last longer, given the same people are involved? The fact that you charge $5 / month? What do I get for $5 / month versus, say, my own VPS running whatever blog software I choose for the same money (or less)?

I have run many personal servers. They all come and go. They get hacked. I lose interest. The content goes away forever, except if I'm lucky enough for it to get picked up in http://archive.org. Posthaven is like that, but you don't have to hope. It will get archived.

Self-hosting is great and I don't think we'll ever replace it. But for the vast majority of personal content out there, you want a caretaker. I hope you'll think of us when you do.

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by garry »

mesozoic wrote: post #14
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of a pledge, what about something more concrete and legally binding in the contract?

Or endow a non-profit with sufficient funds to ensure perpetually running no matter the number of subscriptions.

This is almost certainly what will come down the road. How else can we make sure Posthaven stays online past our lifetimes?

Re: Posterous cofounders create a replacement: Posthaven

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Post by r0s »

Jeraimee wrote: post #42

I don't trust it. After having to get another VPS and build (read: piece together) my own Posterous-like system (it's not half as good) I've already paid $$$. Paying these guys 5 bucks more with no way to know the same thing will or won't happen doesn't seem sane. The system doesn't even WORK yet! How dare they.

Why would you invent your own system? They have migration tools for existing frameworks...
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