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A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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Could someone explain to me how this is a vaccine? In school we were taught inoculations boost immunity and a vaccine is a form of inoculation which works by introducing enough of a bacteria or virus to make a person build antibodies.

> Could someone explain to me how this is a vaccine?

It's a metaphor; an analogy. It might not be a very good one.

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing wrong with a temporary clutch. After all, and actually clutch doesn't cure someone's broken leg, but you wouldn't take it away from someone with a broke leg. A clutch gives people time to heal. This can do that too.

Crutch.

Damn you auto correct

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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post #61
post #58

Could someone explain to me how this is a vaccine? In school we were taught inoculations boost immunity and a vaccine is a form of inoculation which works by introducing enough of a bacteria or virus to make a person build antibodies.

> Could someone explain to me how this is a vaccine? It's a metaphor; an analogy. It might not be a very good one.

So a bit of internet sleuthing later...

The creator, Dr. Juan Asenjo, is speaking at the World Vaccine Congress and Expo [1]. He also refers to the drug as a vaccine [2].

[1] http://www.terrapinn.com/2013/world-vaccine-congress-washing...

[2] http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/430928/20130203/alcoholism... (unfortunately the original source of this quote seems to be behind a paywall [3])

[3] http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/science-technology/25637-w...

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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I'm a psychiatrist and I work with an addiction population. I think many of them would be glad to have this as an option. It's certainly not perfect, but it would provide an additional layer of protection to people who struggle to maintain sobriety. I think it's sad that the first reaction to this is to think of it as something from "dystopian" science fiction. The oral medication disulfram shares a similar mechanism…

General question... What kind of level of drinking or drugs do you think constitutes a real problem? I know it varies, but what is the average. I assume that one drink a month is not a problem, but where is the middle amount of alcohol do you see an issue?

Not to answer with a tautology, but it becomes a problem when it is a problem. For example, when you are missing work (or drunk/hungover at work leading to consequences), or it is causing problems in relationships, you spend an inordinate amount of time or money getting/using alcohol, etc. I would also add when you develop physical dependence as manifested by alcohol withdrawal symptoms, as alcohol withdrawal can be life threatening. People joke about "the DTs" (short for delirium tremens) but not many realize that you can die from them.

Check out the DSM for more detail about how addiction criteria are currently operationalized.

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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I'm a psychiatrist and I work with an addiction population. I think many of them would be glad to have this as an option. It's certainly not perfect, but it would provide an additional layer of protection to people who struggle to maintain sobriety. I think it's sad that the first reaction to this is to think of it as something from "dystopian" science fiction. The oral medication disulfram shares a similar mechanism…

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Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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I remember a roommate of my in college who was a heavy smoker and was trying to quit. Friend of his was in Equinox (the multi-level marketing scheme) and gave him some of these "no smoke" tablets to cure him of his smoking habit. He said all it did was give him intolerable diarrhea for a week and then he threw the rest of the tablets away. I would imagine most people would do the same thing with the oral medication i…

Things you buy from MLMs are generally overpriced, worthless, or both. Usually both.

Generalize much? The same could be said for retail stores I guess.

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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Good thing this didn't exist in the 20's.

No, bad thing. Because this didn't exist in the 20's, the government started adding poison to alcohol not intended for drinking -- because people were drinking it, predictably, and bootleggers were reselling it to be consumed -- and killed thousands of people in the process. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa... Denatured alcohol still does nasty things to people who are ignorant and/or desp…

This is still done today. Acetaminophen s added to Vicodin specifically to make it destroy your liver if you take too much. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/archevore/201103/tylenol...

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things you buy from MLMs are generally overpriced, worthless, or both. Usually both.

Generalize much? The same could be said for retail stores I guess.

It's overpriced by the definition of MLM. Normal retail: the store buys from a wholesaler and sells to you. MLM: Some guy buys from the wholesaler, and sells it to his downstreams, who sell it to their downstreams, through however many levels of the pyramid it takes to reach you, the sucker^Wcustomer. Of course, they don't really want to sell items to customers, the point of MLM is to get new vendors who will buy their stocks from you.

As for crap, well, most of them sell "health products". So sometimes you're getting homeopathic "cures" (read: water), sometimes it's just $30/bottle fruit juice (Monavie).

MLM is a scourge on people with low incomes who just want to get ahead. They use cult-like techniques to make victims believe they'll get rich if they can just recruit enough people, and make sure the victims ignore any advice or warnings from outside. The only people making money here are the ones who created the thing.

Re: A New Vaccine For Drinking Could Keep Alcoholics Sober

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I'm a psychiatrist and I work with an addiction population. I think many of them would be glad to have this as an option. It's certainly not perfect, but it would provide an additional layer of protection to people who struggle to maintain sobriety. I think it's sad that the first reaction to this is to think of it as something from "dystopian" science fiction. The oral medication disulfram shares a similar mechanism…

The article suggests that some people's addiction might manifest in other ways. That is, if you take away alcohol, an alcoholic will look for other inebriants. Is that actually correct? I thought alcoholism was largely a genetic disorder, which predispositions some people to abuse a particular drug. If someone with the disposition has one drink, he is then enticed to have 10 drinks. But if the same person smoked a jo…

There's a lot of individual variability on this point. Many people might have a higher susceptibility to similar substances (like heroin and oxycodone), then to a slightly lesser degree broader groups like "uppers" or "downers," and then finally some people will take anything they can get their hands on.

There are wrinkles to that general formula. Some people only want cocaine and have no affinity for amphetamines, but will take opiates or benzodiazepines without discrimination.

It's pretty messy, sorry I don't have a better answer but's that's how it is.

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