I'm not sure how people can defend Broder. He lied in a very well-respected newspaper about the quality of a product he claims to be an expert in. That could sink a less vigilant company. I get it's just one review, and Broder also probably wasn't even necessarily trying to misrepresent anything. But his rebuttals are completely disingenuous, and he won't admit any wrong doing which is the cardinal sin journalists always seem to get away with. I don't know why journalists can seemingly get away with anything. Always the critic but can never be rightfully criticized by the public.
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#252I put a graph together showing all the points/counterpoints and here's what I'm left with. - not charging past 90% at the 1st station is defensible. Especially if Tesla warns it will shorten the battery's life. - It'd be better if Tesla's software took temperature into account when estimating mileage range. - Broder is being ridiculous about the cruise control and his speed estimates, and the temperature. He has part…
"reads like Broder was trying to stack the deck" I disagree. I think Broder is doing what a lot of journalists do and has accentuated the overall negative experience to create a better narrative. In spite of the poor communication and slight exaggeration, I don't feel like there was malice or a great deal of intent on Broder's behalf. He generally had a poor experience. The errors in his story do not negate that, and…
> Musk should have just presented the facts and let us interpret them.
That's what journalists are supposed to do.
Musk on the other hand is expected to defend / market his product as well as he is capable.
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#253I put a graph together showing all the points/counterpoints and here's what I'm left with. - not charging past 90% at the 1st station is defensible. Especially if Tesla warns it will shorten the battery's life. - It'd be better if Tesla's software took temperature into account when estimating mileage range. - Broder is being ridiculous about the cruise control and his speed estimates, and the temperature. He has part…
The "fundamental attribution error" refers to our tendency to overattribute others' behaviors to their dispositions, while reversing this tendency for ourselves. From: http://lesswrong.com/lw/hz/correspondence_bias/ Also, this: We tend to see far too direct a correspondence between others' actions and personalities. When we see someone else kick a vending machine for no visible reason, we assume they are "an angry pe…
Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I was just about to do the legwork myself!
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#254This article reeks of deceptive phrasing. e.g. Instead of say nobody provided energy saving instructions he says nobody provided detailed energy saving instructions.
I also find it highly improbably that a Tesla engineer would advise someone to improve range by speeding up and slowing down.
Some of it does ring true. e.g. The driving in circles vs searching for charge station. But on the whole it still sounds pretty weak.
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that "conservation" in this case is driven by the rate of usage, minus the rate of recovery - the recharge - from the regen brakes, is it really materially different?
Maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-efficient_driving#Burn_a... ?
Perhaps, but there's a pretty huge difference between "burn and coast" and "burn and brake". Plus that's for ICE vehicles, not all-electric. ICE uses gas to keep idling even when your foot is off the gas, so that strategy might work, but electric doesn't "idle".
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that this is what journalists do. It's also why the public stops trusting journalists, especially after they've personally experienced this. It's what the rest of us calls "lying". This may not be an example of individual malice, but it is definitely an example of why journalism that still uses practices that pre-date video, let alone the internet, no longer commands any kind of respect. Broder lied "because…
I wouldn't characterise it as lying. Broder constructed a narrative around his experience, and got a couple of the details wrong.
Construction of narratives may make better stories in the fiction sense, but often makes the author lie by omission.
Broder appears to have done that.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the expectation mismatch between journalism and its dwindling audience: the general public doesn't expect journalists to "construct a narrative". Most people expect journalism to be about the cold hard facts, possibly biased in it's tone and interpretation, but not altering the facts in favor of a narrative. Manipulating quotes is another journalistic favorite, because hey, just because it's between quotation…
the general public doesn't expect journalists to "construct a narrative". Most people expect journalism to be about the cold hard facts this is a very old way of thinking about journalism and contrasts bizarrely with your assertion that building narratives is an outdated practice. in today's world of A/V/Instant communication, its becoming more and more clear that not only will people not pay attention to "cold hard…
A very old way of approaching constitutional rights would be "we have rights". The 'new' way is "strip at airports for the sake of security".
This doesn't make the 'new' way any better, and only shows how _wrong_ it is.
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
"If the support person gave different advice, he was setting himself and his company for the mess up, and the mess up ensued." This is why we need the call logs. And I fully suspect Tesla records them, so the fact that it wasn't released may suggest that Broder's account was indeed correct
This is what bugs me the most about this whole thing. If the Tesla people on the phone with the reporter had just erred on the side of caution with their advice, the whole debacle would have been avoided. Broder complaining about a couple of extra hours charging would have just come across as a nitpick.
Why should they? They were just reps on the phone talking to a guy who was reviewing superchargers, not planning for a media battle. I don't see how they would have prepared for anything other than the standard advice and it would be surprising if they did.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
"If the support person gave different advice, he was setting himself and his company for the mess up, and the mess up ensued." This is why we need the call logs. And I fully suspect Tesla records them, so the fact that it wasn't released may suggest that Broder's account was indeed correct
This is what bugs me the most about this whole thing. If the Tesla people on the phone with the reporter had just erred on the side of caution with their advice, the whole debacle would have been avoided. Broder complaining about a couple of extra hours charging would have just come across as a nitpick.
Why should they? They were just reps on the phone talking to a guy who was reviewing superchargers, not planning for a media battle. I don't see how they would have prepared for anything other than the standard advice and it would be surprising if they did.
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#260This isn't journalism. This is a flamewar. Its not even a very good flamewar. No popcorn for me.