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Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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That mere 70 miles of buffer made me a little nervous, especially after I missed an exit and added a few miles to the trip. I followed Tesla's recommendations and kept the cruise control pegged to between 60 and 65 much of the way and kept the climate control at 72 degrees. And I minimized stops. But I made it What's the point of having a car that costs north of $50K and as much as $90K if you have to worry about mis…

I'd like a Model S (although, ideally, something more BMW 3-series sized, same performance, and slightly cheaper, and AWD), with the 300 mile range, specifically for daily use in the Bay Area. It is unlikely I would need to worry about range, and just plug in every night (although plugging in at the office would make sense, too)

Being able to periodically ferry it between locations using the supercharger would just be a bonus; I'd be fine with a car which could never leave a 75 mile radius of Palo Alto, provided I also either had a second car (ideally diesel, 45+mpg or a diesel truck), or could rent one whenever I left.

I suspect most people who can afford $100k cars can afford multiple cars, or don't do 400 mile road trips on a regular basis.

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

#22
The constant back and forth on this issue (whether or not this luxury car can in fact drive further than the supermarket) feels absurd.

I have to honestly say the Model S is very, very low on my list of cars-I-wish-I-had. It screams conspicuous and vapid consumption to the nth degree.

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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"I was given battery-conservation advice at that time (turn off the cruise control; alternately slow down and speed up to take advantage of regenerative braking) that was later contradicted by other Tesla personnel."

The emphasized part makes no sense (vs. driving at constant speed), regen braking is not perpetual motion machine. Technology reporter should know that. Still amazing how such a foolish advice was given him by Tesla personnel.

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post #17

Regardless of how much warmer the weather is than when Broder drove the car. If Broder had charged the car completely instead of partially regardless of the obvious drop in capacity in colder weather he still would have made it. CNN have just proven the car is capable, cold weather aside nothing would be much different here. Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circle…

> Tesla fills a niche of drivers who commute to and from work, occasionally to meetings and maybe the airport The niche is in the price, not the use case, because you're describing what about 80% of the population does with their cars 95% of the time.

I believe the niche is partially the price and partially those who want to arrive to work in style. Manager, CEO, COO style employees are the kind of people who'd buy this for the attention and to reaffirm the statement, "Yeah, I'm rich, but I work for it"

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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Regardless of how much warmer the weather is than when Broder drove the car. If Broder had charged the car completely instead of partially regardless of the obvious drop in capacity in colder weather he still would have made it. CNN have just proven the car is capable, cold weather aside nothing would be much different here. Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circle…

> Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circles in a car park? It didn't. It showed him driving .6mi after exiting the highway but there is no proof that he was driving around in circles in a parking lot.

It might not prove he drove in circles in a parking lot, but you have to admit there are discrepancies in the data that have not been explained fully by the NYT editor that don't prove he didn't deliberately try and drain the battery all for having the scoop review that tries and dispels Tesla's claims of efficiency.

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we forgetting the data from the NYT review clearly showed Broder driving around in circles in a car park? It didn't. It showed him driving .6mi after exiting the highway but there is no proof that he was driving around in circles in a parking lot.

It might not prove he drove in circles in a parking lot, but you have to admit there are discrepancies in the data that have not been explained fully by the NYT editor that don't prove he didn't deliberately try and drain the battery all for having the scoop review that tries and dispels Tesla's claims of efficiency.

You are asking the NYT editor to prove a negative? What evidence would you require to prove he didn't deliberately try to drain the battery?

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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I kinda sit in the middle. We need this technology, and people like Musk pushing and investing in it. But equally, his attitude to criticism borders childish and is very off putting.

What I don't get about any of this, from both sides, is that this is the early days of the technology and its clearly work in progress. As usual, early adopters pretty much know what they are investing in and expect and accept that there are going to be problems and that the systems are far from perfect. I mean, imagine a review of the first petrol engined cars, a few years after initial conception. Musk should be constantly reminding people that problems will happen, and this is the beginning of decades of development and evolution, while motoring petrol head journalists need to stop trying to pretend Musk is selling a perfect petrol car replacement, and that it is indeed work in progress at a relatively early stage.

To me it is clear that the Tesla car is still problematic, but it is also clear that its improving at a decent rate. In a decade, I imagine the whole system will work flawlessly, ish.

Sadly all I see are two camps, Musk supporters and petrol heads almost raging at each other like political parties, while Musk stirs it, resulting in non partisan parties look on aghast, keeping wallets well closed.

As for the idea that this CNN review, just after a controversial one, would be anything other than perfect is a delusion. Even if we bin foil hat theories that CNN were soft on Tesla for what ever reason, Tesla would have done everything to ensure this test went perfectly and contradicted the previous one. What ever we are up to, if a test goes wrong, we would all make sure the next test was an improvement. If not, then we have no business in any form of development.

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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Not really a surprise - I don't think there was really any doubt about the performance of the Tesla in normal weather. The NYC area right now is well above freezing, approaching +10C in the daytime, nowhere near the deep freeze that occurred during the NYT drive. This still doesn't put to rest the expected (but somehow controversial) concerns about lithium battery performance in cold weather. This concern IMO needs t…

Teslas are big sellers in Norway and Switzerland, yet (and I travel there often and even looked in Zurich showrooms) I don't hear them concerned.

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

#29

Not really a surprise - I don't think there was really any doubt about the performance of the Tesla in normal weather. The NYC area right now is well above freezing, approaching +10C in the daytime, nowhere near the deep freeze that occurred during the NYT drive. This still doesn't put to rest the expected (but somehow controversial) concerns about lithium battery performance in cold weather. This concern IMO needs t…

I thought one of the benefits of electric cars was that since you had them plugged in overnight you could program them to automatically heat the car to a pleasant temperature for when you went outside to drive, taking energy for this directly from the charger, rather than the battery. And that if your schedule was a bit more unpredictable you could activate this via a smartphone app as well.

Does the Tesla not do that (yet)?

Re: Test drive: DC to Boston in a Tesla Model S

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post #22

The constant back and forth on this issue (whether or not this luxury car can in fact drive further than the supermarket) feels absurd. I have to honestly say the Model S is very, very low on my list of cars-I-wish-I-had. It screams conspicuous and vapid consumption to the nth degree.

>> It screams conspicuous and vapid consumption to the nth degree.

Unlike, say, gas-guzzling SUVs.

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