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Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

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There's a video of two guys driving by the zinc plant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnGvd0dmLI

Is it just me, or is there always house/techno/trance playing in Russian dashboard videos?

Their is a continuum between dance music and mainstream pop music in Europe in the same way their is for hip hop in the states. So it's not unusual for it to be played on standard pop radio stations.

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The explosion is clearly audible 25 seconds in to this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np_mpGYSBSA

I'm almost certain that's a sonic boom. The upper atmosphere is several miles high and it would take the better part of a minute for the sound from a sonic boom to reach the ground from the stratosphere.

I'm going to change my mind on this. The more I watch videos the more I'm convinced that the loud bangs are actually the sound of the meteor exploding in an air burst, although I think there are some sonic booms mixed in.

Edit: OK, I'm going back to it being a sonic boom. The sounds are too sharp and too similar to other sonic booms. That's what I get for not trusting my gut the first time.

Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

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I don't know about "taking it out" per se but an air defense system designed to hit ballistic missiles in the terminal phase could also hit an inbound meteorite. It is within the performance envelope of those types of systems. That said, against a meteorite it won't do much good since it is an inert mass. It is plausible that the Russians launched an interceptor just to be safe. If it is a meteor, it neither hurts no…

Russians have scientists working on the meteorite problem, but I doubt the military would do a hail Mary launch on this. If anything, they would much rather let it fall intact than risk having it break up and spread damage to a much larger area. But that still assumes they can respond quickly enough or had missiles on standby with weapons that can affect a meteorite (not specifically ballistic reentry capsules, but a…

If they had the time to go through the chain of command and reach a measured, rational decision, perhaps; but it's quite possible that a crew manning a missile defence platform had only a few seconds to decide on a course of action, and went with "better safe than sorry" without considering whether it even was something that could break up.

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This one is rather impressive to watch as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE

I don't understand why some of the people are still listening to the radio and so uninterested.

The number 1 most important factor in dealing with emergencies is recognizing that an emergency is happening in the first place.

It's easy to get mislead by movies and tv and the way things happen and the way people react. In reality things don't work that way. It can sometimes be difficult to tell when an emergency is happening, and a lot of people won't pay enough attention. How often do people ignore fire alarms, for example?

Do you know what the symptoms of a stroke look like? Most people don't. I certainly didn't when the elderly lady sitting one table over from me at a fast food restaurant had a stroke. She dropped her food tray on the floor and I was sitting the other way and just wrote it off as random clumsiness. But other people were paying closer attention. Some of the staff helped her clean up her mess and other people came to help sensing that something was a bit off, after asking a few leading questions and making a few observations they decided she was having a stroke and called 911. Today I have a lot more training and am far better able to spot things like symptoms of a stroke or a heart attack and so forth, but that's not true for everyone. A lot of people don't know how to spot a heart attack, even in themselves, and they waste a lot of time before going to the hospital.

But this extends to everything. If you look at the 9/11 WTC attacks there were a lot of people who could have gotten out of those buildings who instead stayed in their offices because they were lulled into a false sense of security. The fact is that when things are burning down, smoke is everywhere, you can see the flames, etc. it's often too late, the time to take action was minutes or hours ago when you still had a chance. The time to evacuate a flood zone is when the water is at your ankles or knees, not when it's up to your armpits.

But most people are so conditioned by the norms of ordinary society they find it difficult to break out of them. It takes a surprising amount of effort to make a conscious choice to break those norms and switch to emergency mode, which is why most people are forced to rely on some even more dramatic event triggering a panic/fear/fight-or-flight response to jump into that mode.

Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

#157

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This one is rather impressive to watch as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE

I don't understand why some of the people are still listening to the radio and so uninterested.

It's more likely that it happened so suddenly that they didn't have time to turn the radio off and they're in such shock that they've totally blanked the background noise out.

Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

#158
Side issue: Anyone know what a Google Driverless car would make of a fireball heading towards it out of the sky? Is there a default action in case of uncertainty? Brake? Swerve? Any of those by these drivers could have been worse than the "yebat"

Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

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I'm almost certain that's a sonic boom. The upper atmosphere is several miles high and it would take the better part of a minute for the sound from a sonic boom to reach the ground from the stratosphere.

I'm going to change my mind on this. The more I watch videos the more I'm convinced that the loud bangs are actually the sound of the meteor exploding in an air burst, although I think there are some sonic booms mixed in. Edit: OK, I'm going back to it being a sonic boom. The sounds are too sharp and too similar to other sonic booms. That's what I get for not trusting my gut the first time.

I'm sticking with a sonic boom. Even the explosion of the meteorite is going to be a series of booms (one video from inside a building clearly includes numerous loud reports).

Remember: each meteorite fragment will produce its own boom. And a meteorite explosion doesn't result from interior forces fracturing the body, but the body fracturing under aerodynamic stress. For a rocky bolide, what you've got is basically a flying rockpile, its internal bonding forces are relatively low, and the whole thing's going to have a pretty strong tendency to fly to pieces particularly in a hypersonic jetstream (a nickle-iron meteorite much less so, though Phil Plait links to the Sikhote-Alin meteorite Wikipedia page, which did just that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhote-Alin_meteorite). So it's less an explosion (internally generated forces) and more a shattering (smashing into air) resulting in multiple fragments.

Impressive all the same.

Re: Meteorite crash in Russia

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Maybe this will help people appreciate that space is not some other world on TV, instead we are in space right now . Yes, it can reach out and touch us.

Just to be pedantic for the hell of it, we're really in space-time, and it's that "time" dimension that makes "space" capable of reaching out and touching us :D
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