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Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by meerita »

PommeDeTerre wrote: post #153
meerita wrote: post #119

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IE was dominant on one OS. It wasn't dominante on anything else than Windows world. Please, and that dominion lasted no more than 10 years. It ended with Android and iOS.

Windows was (and still is) the dominant desktop OS. Until recently, it was a very dominant dominance, with competitors usually making up less than 5% of the market share. Even today, mobile users typically account for only about 10% to 15% of a site's traffic, for sites that don't directly target mobile users. Mobile just isn't as important or widespread as a lot of people think it is.

I don't know wich sites you are watching. All the sites I do control mobile is rocketing away from the desktop. Last year it duplicated. This year looks like it will be higher.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by zz_james »

mikaelj wrote: post #240
coldtea wrote: post #80

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> Yes, but only on WebKit-derivates. Well, that's how evolution works. Some species DO get extinguished. This Opera species wasn't adaptive enough. If we want web engine evolution happening somebody should build a BETTER than Webkit engine (e.g the Mozilla Rust/Servo team). Keeping not-that-good engines for the sake of "competition" is not evolution, it's life in "life support".

In a mono-culture you have no predators thus no evolution.

Not quite, you need 2 elements for evolution, (1) variation and (2) selection. Selection comes from anything in the environment, it can and often does come from climate, geology also, data suggest the rate of change through evolution increases when populations are lower as variation is more significant. Such analysis of natural selection can break down when applied to market forces as the continued existence of an intity is sometimes of secondary interest to the controlling party, which does not happen with species.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by user24 »

nemetroid wrote: post #254
user24 wrote: post #221

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Got to admit, I am disappointed that > parseInt("08", 8); returns 0 instead of NaN

Returning 0 makes perfect sense. parseInt matches an integer from the beginning of the string , so it reads the 0 and then stops at the 8 because 8 is not a valid digit in base 8. >>> parseInt("123foobar", 10) 123

Good point.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by ishansharma »

Great.

Opera was my primary browser before Google Chrome. I tried sticking to it but it was always left behind. Then as I dived into Google's services more and more, it was clear that Opera wasn't a consideration for Google.

Want to Drag and Drop something in GMail, not possible! Any other cool features on many other websites, no!

Now that they are switching to Webkit, I hope Opera gets support for all these features.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by glennos »

Sounds like great news. Hopefully those extra resources can go into returning the GUI to the best in the business and at that point, I look forward to returning. In the meantime, Chrome will keep me warm.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by PommeDeTerre »

mikaelj wrote: post #267
PommeDeTerre wrote: post #255

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A lot. The problems should be quite apparent to any developer who has used any mainstream programming languages aside from JavaScript and PHP. But for those who don't have such experience, a few quick Google searches should turn up more than enough information indicating the problems with JavaScript. There's no need to rehash it here.

No, it's not quite apparent at all, and no, a few Google searches did not yield any useful information. (I do however like the high horse you're on, very nice breed indeed.) I call on your "no need to rehash it here." Without even one good example, I'd say you're just trying to be elitist.

I'm sorry to hear that you've had so much trouble with this very simple exercise.

Let me help set you on the right path. Google for "javascript semicolon insertion". After reading about it, it should be very apparent to you how it's a very large flaw with the language, and how it can be extremely harmful.

Do some research into JavaScript's equality operators. Any good programmer will be sick to his or her stomach after reading about how broken such basic, yet essential, functionality like that is.

And that's just the start, my friend. I encourage you to do further research on your own. You'll find no shortage of serious issues to learn more about.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by PommeDeTerre »

meerita wrote: post #271
PommeDeTerre wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows was (and still is) the dominant desktop OS. Until recently, it was a very dominant dominance, with competitors usually making up less than 5% of the market share. Even today, mobile users typically account for only about 10% to 15% of a site's traffic, for sites that don't directly target mobile users. Mobile just isn't as important or widespread as a lot of people think it is.

I don't know wich sites you are watching. All the sites I do control mobile is rocketing away from the desktop. Last year it duplicated. This year looks like it will be higher.

StatCounter's global mobile vs. desktop usage is probably one of the best measures we've got available to us.

Their February 2013 results are at: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_vs_desktop-ww-monthly-2013...

It gives a good sense of the current situation. Mobile browser usage is under 15%. It's nothing compared to the usage of desktop browsers. The growth from 2011 and 2012 isn't even that impressive, given the all of the hype and attention surrounding mobile.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by c1u »

Herald_MJ wrote: post #223
c1u wrote: post #143

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Those are all immature web markets. By the time the majority of web users in those countries spend a significant amount of money online, they probably wont be using Opera anymore. If you're looking for more file-sharing users, sure, target these markets. But if you want to make money today then don't waste your time. (I've lived in, started/run businesses, and produced web products in Eastern Europe).

The European mobile web market is 'immature'. #shithnsays

Not what I meant at all. I just meant that in my experience, the counties listed have relatively low median disposable incomes, and are generally not inclined to pay for web products.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

hkolk wrote: post #84
ohwp wrote: post #70

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"I don't know a single web dev who tests on Opera anymore." Hi, I'm a dev who always develop for Opera. The reason: if it works in Opera it almost is working in all other browsers. And I ofcourse like Opera very much. I think it has one of the best interfaces and toolsets. "They'll continue to be the browser that nobody cares about." This is a very stupid statement. 300 million monthly users care about Opera. The HN…

Working for one of the biggest sites in the netherlands: 0.31% is Opera's market share at our site. It's not on our supported browsers list

That's probably just me.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by prumek »

adamsmith wrote: post #241
andrewl-hn wrote: post #115

Opera value preposition was in that they provided a complete solution (rendering engine, network stack, filesystem integration, security, customizable UI, etc.) People and companies often picked up WebKit for their hardware platform without realizing how much stuff is there besides the renderer itself. As a result, they had to spend more time on porting the rest of the stack and were late to market. That's, for examp…

This is a really cool comment. Is there anywhere I can read more about the UI innovations Chrome took from Opera (or web browser UI innovations in general)?

Opera borrowed Opera's Speed Dial, they placed the tabs at the top (above the address bar) like Opera did (and people kept bashing it for that), etc.
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