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Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by gnosis »

powertower wrote: post #155

The described LSD "thumbprint" sounds more like 10-30mg to me. As a grain or two of table-top salt is about 1mg (*but this of course depends on the density of the substance). Either way it sounds like a horrifying experience for anyone that's not ready. And also for those that are. The first time I tried mushrooms, instead of 1 stem and a cap (of some fairly potent shrooms), I ate the entire bag. Then I made the furt…

"I ate the entire bag. Then I made the further mistake of trying to sleep it off..."

Sounds like you also made a major mistake in tripping without an experienced guide to help you through the experience.

Any guide worth their salt would have helped you select the proper dose, would know that you're not going to be able to sleep off a serious psychedelic experience, and would have known how to help you have a positive experience.

Unfortunately, way too many people try psychedelics without having much of a clue as to how to use the substances constructively. Reading the following link would be a good start:

https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_experi...

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Post by gnosis »

caetano wrote: post #134

From my experiences involving meditation and psychedelics I find it to be an energetic transformation. Basically, the drugs alters the subject's energetic vibration which pushes awareness into different realms. The chakra model is a common map of these vibrations: http://www.grdn.cc/energy-slash-quality-slash-organ-slash-ac... Personally I'm finding some of these levels are achievable without the use of drugs. I used…

Decades after "Be Here Now" was published, Ram Dass published a follow-up interview, in which he revealed that he found out that his yogi had actually never taken the LSD he was given. Instead, he used a magician's sleight of hand trick to make it appear that he swallowed the LSD when he did not.

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Post by klutometis »

lucisferre wrote: post #25

I wonder if intelligent machines will infect themselves with severely disruptive but temporary algorithms (viruses) and believe they too understand the meaning of life the universe and everything.

That sort of thing might be similar to stochastic methods like simulated annealing, where one accepts temporarily suboptimal states in case a more optimal one is around the corner.

Let psychedelics be analogous to the random walk: it may be the case that one finds oneself shaken from some local optimum only to be banished to a desert of suboptimal states and no deterministic way to return.

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Post by Locke1689 »

compee wrote: post #130
davorak wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Finally, I'm not a physicist, but from what I've read, even physicists now have a lot of trouble defining "matter" as such. As someone with physics training I do not see physicists having this trouble. > I don't think they even use the term much at all anymore. Most the physicists I know use it often. Please be a little more careful when spreading information you are not sure about. The best way in my opinion is to…

You say this and you don't give him a serious response. >As someone with physics training I do not see physicists having this trouble What is definitively known about mass besides E = mc^2 and the limited information we now about the Higgs Boson? >Most the physicists I know use it often I'm glad the physicists you know use it often. Why is it used so often? If it was known what matter and mass was there would be no n…

We know quite a lot about matter, actually. We can describe huge swaths of its properties: we can categorize it into different particles, we know how it acts in various fields, we can tear it apart and build it back up. All in all, quite a lot of knowledge.

Also, the Higgs boson is more interesting for its evidence in spontaneous electroweak symmetry breaking than for its ramifications on matter. Despite what popular science tells you, it actually doesn't give most of what you think of as "matter" its mass, that's quantum chromodynamic interactions.

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Post by giamgiam »

cnp wrote: post #93
zensavona wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's talking about using LSD as a party drug? It's certainly not even slightly suggested in the posted article or this response.

I've actually known quite a lot of people who have used LSD to that end. The Mushroom, however, is a different, more spiritual journey that is very difficult to evade.

I've known quite a few people who take mushrooms as party drugs, as well. Anything is a party drug to the right group of people.

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Post by im3w1l »

derefr wrote: post #89
tytyty wrote: post #68

I take psychedelics on a regular basis. Usually a couple of times a month. Although I've done several hundred micrograms (there is really no way of knowing) of LSD at once, I also really enjoy experimenting with smaller doses and casually micro-dosing on work days. I happen to be a software engineer and try to apply my knowledge of "machines" to the psychedelic experience. While I don't believe in anything supernatur…

> I would speculate that LSD turns on System 2 where normally my System 1 brain would give me an immediate response. As far as I've read, LSD is, surprisingly, just a serotonin agonist, similar to anti-depressants or MDMA. (Technically, it's a non-selective serotonin agonist, and it does this by reversing the chemical reactions that take serotonin apart, to basically "un-use-up" serotonin you've already spent--which…

Sanity check for your argument: How many synapses are formed during the typical trip?

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Post by cnp »

giamgiam wrote: post #165
cnp wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've actually known quite a lot of people who have used LSD to that end. The Mushroom, however, is a different, more spiritual journey that is very difficult to evade.

I've known quite a few people who take mushrooms as party drugs, as well. Anything is a party drug to the right group of people.

'tis true :/

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Post by conformal »

lucisferre wrote: post #26
conformal wrote: post #4

i spent a couple hours talking to a guy who had supposedly done approximately 60 mg print back in the day. one component i didn't see in this blog post was what he described as "A PIERCING WHITE LIGHT". :)

60mg seems like it would kill someone.

suffice it to say that the guy seemed to permanently have a nervous sweat going on and he did this over 5 years prior to when i spoke to him.

per the article, it is not uncommon for "serious" distributors to do this for whatever reason.

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Post by gwern »

derefr wrote: post #129
draakon wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for this very interesting post, but I would like to point out a few things. Most currently used anti-depressants are serotonin (some also norepinephrine and/or dopamine) reuptake inhibitors , not agonists . Tetracyclic antidepressants even act as antagonist (inverse agonists). Buspirone (more an anti-anxiety than AD medication) functions as a serotonin receptor partial agonist, but that is selective (5-HT1A…

Right--I probably shouldn't have even mentioned anti-depressants; X-monoamine reuptake inhibitors don't have much at all to do with X-monoamine agonists in terms of effect.[1] I was mostly just trying to connect the discussion to something people would more commonly have actual experience with. So, to reinforce the parent: serotonin syndrome is very dangerous for precisely that reason of "neurological gain" mentioned…

My understanding was that nicotine is not a MAOI; but tobacco has other MAOIs in it: http://www.gwern.net/Nicotine#fn2

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Post by mighty_plant »

orasis wrote: post #23
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #14

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Anything with the phrase (paraphrasing) "but I must warn you, you must be surrounded by evolved people" sounds so incredibly condescending and pretentious it really shows how these people see themselves as superior to others, like your friend who travels a lot and brings it up all the time. Except his stories are rational and meaningful, while stories about tripping balls are so subjective, they're meaningless. Yes,…

The insights available through meditation and psychedelics are insights into the workings of conceptualization and the odd subject/object split we habitually do with thought and language. Being able to experience reality below the lens of conceptualization is the most powerful experience of my life. I can now clearly see the fake reality created instantly by thought and the truth that there is only this moment of exp…

That reminds me of a speech by Terence McKenna who has to be mentioned anywhere psychedelics are discussed ;)

If you like you can have a listen to this sample used in a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDlbsgdXFxY

He has been sampled in numerous other songs, too, most of them are psychedelic ambient tracks. I also recommend anything you can find about him on youtube especially "Seeking the Stone"

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