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Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#51
Lol totally evil product based on making people lives awful through fake fear.

But I guess that's many successful products, make people feel bad or their lives are missing 'something' and give them the solution for the $

Myself and friends have often talked about it. Be unethical but make money. Individual vs Herd mentality. And in the first world is it really that evil to fool the people who fall for it? I find it hard personally but maybe that's a weakness I should train to get over, not sure. I do give a % of my wage to 3rd world charity so would I still be up positive ethics wise.

Interesting article to see into that world anyway, something to think about.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#52
"For almost two years they had been personally liable for what me and my friends were up to."

I don't understand this part. Shouldn't the investors have seen the insurance through themselves? It seems mad to rely on other people for that kind of thing. Sure it would have been nice for the startuppers to organize it, but really, it's a no-brainer that for such things you have to organize it yourself (because the people tasked with it have no real stake in it).

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#53

While you made a lot of mistakes here, it's also pretty frustrating that there's a good deal of VCs who are basically only looking for the next Twitter. Why would anyone think viral growth would be realistic for this product? How does one acquire that much capital while knowing so little about business?

A good deal? From what I've heard, every single VC in Silicon Valley shares this unhealthy obsession over "the next Twitter" (Just read pg's definition of "startup").

And as long as Twitter, Google and Facebook keep paying 8 figure (or 10 figure) sums to acquire "startups" without a business model, VCs don't need to know anything about real business.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#54

I can add a bit more color to this story as I was intimately involved in it. I worked at the company that was bought by HP in Oregon and then later in Texas. It was called RLX technologies and created the first blade server. After it was purchased by HP I stayed on for a few months before moving on to a startup in Oregon. It seemed like a great idea as they moved me back to Oregon. My best friend, who got me on at RL…

Quite a story, one of the best and most revealing ones I've ever read here, and I've been here since the beginning. Thanks for sharing, and letting us see "behind the curtain" a little.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#56
Doesn't sound like they had any idea how to make money off this thing. Since for whatever reason they decided they didn't want to charge any money for the service.

What could they have done to make money from children's internet chat logs that would not be in some way shady?

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#57
Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch ... and not just about the part where they moved or added a board member before the money hit the bank account, but even the little "celebration" in Vegas. How is raising money a reason to celebrate in Vegas... especially when it hasn't even hit the bank yet?

While I feel bad for the founders here and the VC behavior is deplorable, a little cautiousness and common sense would have really saved the day here. "Let's not move until the money is in the bank, ok? Hey board member -- just step back for a few minutes until the wire clears. Once it does, we're all yours."

... All that being said ..... BIG KUDOS to the team for getting the investors their money back:

"We sold the assets for what our original investors had put in to the company, about $1.5 million, so we were able to give them their money back."

That's great -- I know very few entrepreneurs who have gotten well past the point of raising capital who can claim to have returned investor money.

So, while you might have gotten the Big Screw by VCs, in part due to their shadyness and in part due to your own over-enthusiasm and lack of diligence, I think you saved the day for your investors. They may not invest with you again, but they can't say they lost money with you either.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#58

I'm confused. Did they protect kids? I don't remember if he said that or not. Anyway, a few comments: - They paid for free users with no business model in place - They failed to complete requirements of their previous investment deals - Handshakes don't matter, term sheets don't matter; nothing matters until the check clears

Startups should print out those last three bullets, frame it, and put it on the wall. It would save a lot of heartache.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#59
A bit off of the main point, but

> Age? Sex? Location? That’s how predators started their hunt.

And how non-predators start their hunt (the same way that predators in the 1800s started their letters with "Dear Timmy").

It's a completely nonspecific starter question for anyone who is chatting with a stranger, and I wish the author were more careful with this.

Re: Protect Kids, Get F*cked

#60
post #50

Age? Sex? Location? That’s how predators started their hunt. It's also how teenagers started conversations with each other in chat rooms a decade ago. It may still be, but I haven't been a teenager in a while. I imagine predators open with the same question, but actually using it as a filter would produce an unacceptable amount of noise. This is a useful story about some of the mistakes one can make dealing with VCs,…

Not really. The default mode is to be skeptical today of anyone online, and that there is no need to provide this information in an online conversation.
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