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Re: It could happen to you too

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You should always have assets at multiple banks and have lots of cash stored outside of the banking system (in a safety deposit box, at home, in car, etc). *note: be careful about how you accumulate said cash. CTRs are generated if you withdraw too quickly.

For anyone else who didn't know what CTR stood for here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_transaction_report

Re: It could happen to you too

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post #5

You should always have assets at multiple banks and have lots of cash stored outside of the banking system (in a safety deposit box, at home, in car, etc). *note: be careful about how you accumulate said cash. CTRs are generated if you withdraw too quickly.

Had a similar episode back in the nineties with the state of California franchise tax board. Before they froze my Wells Fargo account, I transferred my balance to a new ETrade account . They never did anything with that new account because I suspect they didn't have the account info. They had the wells fargo account info because I had previously paid taxes via bank draft. Moral of the story, avoid giving up your account info if possible when paying taxes. Use a credit card.

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My personal and business banking is done at Chase. I've found them to be fantastic and managed to avoid pretty much any fees by following the guidance of very helpful employees. I know everyone loves to bag on big banks, but Chase has been great. Bank of America is another story - their website barely works.

That said, I highly recommend anyone with significant assets open a bank account in a foreign country where seizing assets is much more difficult. Keep a reasonable sum there and know how to transfer the rest quickly if you fear legal action.

Re: It could happen to you too

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A similar thing happened to me about 4 years ago in California. At the time I was running a small business and we had several thousand dollars withdrawn from our Wells Fargo Checking account along with a $200 Well Fargo legal fee. After some investigation we discovered that California had sent a notice to Wells Fargo to seize our assets for unpaid taxes. The Wells Fargo legal team was fairly helpful and they told us that 'this happens all the time', meaning the state doesn't really care who they take the money from as long as they get money from somebody. It took us nearly 2 years to prove to the state that they had the wrong business and we we able to recover the money from California. They paid us something like 0.25% interest. We never did get the $200 back from Well Fargo. All of this happened without a single notice or letter from either California or Wells Fargo.

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Well, there's yet another good reason to stick with local credit unions whenever possible. If they have no presence in another jurisdiction, they're unlikely to comply with any of that nonsense.

I use a credit union, and I have been the victim of a similar problem as the author, and the credit union folded in exactly the same way. Notably, the credit union is local to a state different from the one that tried to shake me down. I don't especially blame the credit union, though: they were upfront and communicative with me, and told me that their hands were tied.

The advice I was given (not by the CU): either withdraw all my money from the account and put it in a safe deposit box, or wire it to a (very) close relative ASAP -- before the lien is officially issued.

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post #13

My personal and business banking is done at Chase. I've found them to be fantastic and managed to avoid pretty much any fees by following the guidance of very helpful employees. I know everyone loves to bag on big banks, but Chase has been great. Bank of America is another story - their website barely works. That said, I highly recommend anyone with significant assets open a bank account in a foreign country where se…

> and managed to avoid pretty much any fees by following the guidance of very helpful employees

shouldn't they not have useless fees to begin with?

Re: It could happen to you too

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post #15
post #6

Well, there's yet another good reason to stick with local credit unions whenever possible. If they have no presence in another jurisdiction, they're unlikely to comply with any of that nonsense.

I use a credit union, and I have been the victim of a similar problem as the author, and the credit union folded in exactly the same way. Notably, the credit union is local to a state different from the one that tried to shake me down. I don't especially blame the credit union, though: they were upfront and communicative with me, and told me that their hands were tied. The advice I was given (not by the CU): either w…

"withdraw all my money from the account and put it in a safe deposit box, or wire it to a (very) close relative ASAP -- before the lien is officially issued."

IT is generally too late. Both are problematic and can be clawed back relatively quickly (the timing looks suspicious, etc). Yes, they would have to take you to court, but the defense costs usually exceed the asset value (and the author notes this).

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post #17
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a credit union, and I have been the victim of a similar problem as the author, and the credit union folded in exactly the same way. Notably, the credit union is local to a state different from the one that tried to shake me down. I don't especially blame the credit union, though: they were upfront and communicative with me, and told me that their hands were tied. The advice I was given (not by the CU): either w…

"withdraw all my money from the account and put it in a safe deposit box, or wire it to a (very) close relative ASAP -- before the lien is officially issued." IT is generally too late. Both are problematic and can be clawed back relatively quickly (the timing looks suspicious, etc). Yes, they would have to take you to court, but the defense costs usually exceed the asset value (and the author notes this).

The state actually gave a fair amount of advance notice. I was given an exact date for when the lien would go in effect, with over a month of lead time, as I recall.

I'm a little too paranoid to say exactly what I did, but I will say that I'm glad I was given that advice. (I was younger, and had much less money saved at the time; obviously that amount would affect any similar decision now.)

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post #13

My personal and business banking is done at Chase. I've found them to be fantastic and managed to avoid pretty much any fees by following the guidance of very helpful employees. I know everyone loves to bag on big banks, but Chase has been great. Bank of America is another story - their website barely works. That said, I highly recommend anyone with significant assets open a bank account in a foreign country where se…

Any recommended foreign banks?

Re: It could happen to you too

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post #13

My personal and business banking is done at Chase. I've found them to be fantastic and managed to avoid pretty much any fees by following the guidance of very helpful employees. I know everyone loves to bag on big banks, but Chase has been great. Bank of America is another story - their website barely works. That said, I highly recommend anyone with significant assets open a bank account in a foreign country where se…

If you do this, PLEASE make sure that you are aware of current IRS regulations regarding foreign bank accounts.

When I moved to Canada a few years ago this all got rather hairy and ensnarled. They keep introducing new requirements as well - my Canadian retirement savings account was re-classified as a foreign trust which necessitated additional filings.

Good advice, but mind the details.

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