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Opera moves to WebKit

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Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by user24 »

papsosouid wrote: post #215
user24 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't do it correctly in the javascript ... case Sure you can. Read the Fine manual: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Referenc... tldr: parseInt("08", 10);

We're not talking about parsing in base 10, we're talking about parsing in base 8. I need to be able to tell if the parse succeeded or not, silently hiding errors is bad. The correct behaviour demonstrated in perl and python: $ perl -le 'print 07' 7 $ perl -le 'print 08' Illegal octal digit '8' at -e line 1, at end of line Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. $ python -c 'print 07' 7 $ python -c 'print…

Got to admit, I am disappointed that

> parseInt("08", 8);

returns 0 instead of NaN

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by Herald_MJ »

c1u wrote: post #143
rplnt wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As highlighted by my comment, it's middle and eastern Europe : Ukraine 20% (36%), Slovakia 6% (13%), Poland 7% (12%), Czech Republic 5% (10%), Russia 14% (32%), Belarus 32% (45%), Kazachstan 32% (16%) Also, Mobile browsers are not insignificant market: (whole) Europe 24% (50%) Numbers from statcounter.com as of January 2013 (January 2010). I picked 2010 as it was about the time Chrome started it's push around here (I…

Those are all immature web markets. By the time the majority of web users in those countries spend a significant amount of money online, they probably wont be using Opera anymore. If you're looking for more file-sharing users, sure, target these markets. But if you want to make money today then don't waste your time. (I've lived in, started/run businesses, and produced web products in Eastern Europe).

The European mobile web market is 'immature'. #shithnsays

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by runn1ng »

I see this as a win for open source software. (Or "free software". I never know.)

Opera never open-sourced its rendering engine Presto, keeping it as a jewel of sorts. On the other hand, Apple always shared the WebKit code, so Google could come, fork it and make it better.

Opera thought that keeping Presto proprietary will give them advantage in the market. Instead, it made it obsolete and irrelevant.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by marizmelo »

It was about time. Webkit is becoming the de facto browser engine. People will say that this kills competition, but competition is just good when brings better alternatives, Opera is not the case.

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by dylan-m »

runn1ng wrote: post #225

I see this as a win for open source software. (Or "free software". I never know.) Opera never open-sourced its rendering engine Presto, keeping it as a jewel of sorts. On the other hand, Apple always shared the WebKit code, so Google could come, fork it and make it better. Opera thought that keeping Presto proprietary will give them advantage in the market. Instead, it made it obsolete and irrelevant.

I totally agree with you here, but I just need to correct you on something. Webkit is based on KHTML, which was available with the LGPL license. Of course, it's much more Webkit than KHTML at this point, but it isn't so much that Apple shared the Webkit code as they wisely forked a mature open source project and followed its license ;)

Re: Opera moves to WebKit

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Post by ralfd »

gcp wrote: post #165
lordlarm wrote: post #10

I worked for Opera the summer of 2010 and I've also been using the browser the last couple of years. Compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft - it is important to understand that Opera is a small, very small, company. I'm very happy to see their resources better used to innovating and improve their exiting product, rather than trying to catching up to the other browsers. A big loss for the general state of rendering plat…

Compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft - it is important to understand that Opera is a small, very small, company. That's true, but those companies also make much more products. Mozilla has significantly less employees than Opera. What gives Google, Apple and Microsoft power is that they also own the platforms. (And now you'll understand why Firefox OS is a thing)

> Mozilla has significantly less employees than Opera

Hu, really? Would have thought the opposite as Mozilla gets 100 million dollars a year from Google.

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