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Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

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Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#41
I voted yes. I like these and other apocalyptic movies for a number of reasons, but mostly because they allow time for thinking and planning by the characters (while not being a 'chick-flick'). Many other movies I find to be too action-packed to be interesting for anything other than choreographic purposes.

Similar movies to this are CIA based films or bank robberies/hostage movies. Each of them allow the viewer to actually participate by providing the time for the viewer to ask "what would I do in this situation? How would I respond given x resources and y amount of time?"

I particularly despise the go for gore zombie flicks. I like movies that stimulate my intellectually, not ones that remind me of student horror films.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong actually, and I'll tell you why. I have a hunch that people who are early adopters of things online are usually the same kind of people who are into Zombie films. The whole point of putting this onto HN (as opposed to a movie site) is that I would get intelligent discussion, with people articulating what it specifically is about these films that appeals to them (or not) - which is the exact type of data…

First, I'll note that what you wrote here somewhat contradicts your original post. Also, HN is comprised of a very small subset of early adopters - namely, the sort who create their own services. This is an absurdly small and misleading sample, even within your stated target. Second, again -- you're looking at a potential audience of 0.01% (HN-reading zombie-movie-lovers) versus a large, general audience of young vie…

  First, I'll note that what you wrote here somewhat contradicts your original post
Straw man argument. The original post was a series of questions. My reply to your comment was the hypothesis I posed to myself. They don't contradict each other as the questions were posed as a result of the hypothesis.

  This is an absurdly small and misleading sample, even within your stated target.
This was never intended to be conclusive market research, this is just to see if it warranted further research into the topic. In a short space of time (4 hours) I've received some good feedback and suggestions from both parties and been directed to some resources (eg the zombie comic) that I didn't know existed.

I could have, for all intensive purposes spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours conducting extensive research - or I could just build the damn thing and release it for much less than what it would cost to obtain "accurate research".

  versus a large, general audience of young viewers who enjoy (and pay for) digital animation content.
You know, this is where your false argument falls down. You don't have to have a customer paying for the actual content, or even advertising to be able to monetise it. They sure help, but it's not the only method.

   You specifically stated that you wanted to do this as a low-cost thing
Finally, you got something correct.

  thus you can't be making high-quality, specialized content
Oops, spoke too soon.

Just because the big name companies like Pixar and Dreamworks are throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at creating this kind of entertainment, doesn't mean that it is the only way.

Think about it for a second, really break it down into its component parts. Your typical animation FILM by those 2 studios is around 90 minutes of entertainment and costs upwards of 100 million dollars each. It's about on par with what Hollywood is spending on films.

Now lets look at your average tv show, 22 minutes of entertainment. So if we used the Hollywood blockbuster model, each episode should cost around $25 million plus right? No, it doesn't work that way.

Lost for example, which is notorious for being expensive to produce cost (in its first year) $44 million for 22 episodes at 43 minutes (approx) running time each.

That's an approximate 10 times the entertainment, for less than half the cost.

So if Film and TV operate at completely different scales, then obviously there is a huge disconnect between the cost of production and the amount that someone can be entertained.

To further back up my concept, I present to you a video called "Big Buck Bunny" - it is essentially a video demo that was created by the Blender Foundation for their open source tool.

This video is 10 minutes of animation, completed in 3 months with (depending on how you look at the team makeup) 7-9 guys from concept to delivery using only open source software

http://www.vimeo.com/1084537

That surely doesn't look like a low quality animation to me. So it's not an impossible task.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#43

Is a digital animation studio a startup? It doesn't really have a huge scaling potential does it? Your output is constrained by your animation stable surely. The closest analogue to a breakaway product or hot patent would be a hugely popular IP, but you don't need to be a studio to develop a property. Perhaps you intend to develop animation productivity tools and the studio provides the opportunity to dogfood. That k…

  Is a digital animation studio a startup?
Why not? I wouldn't have thought startups are limited only to webapps/software? We're building from the ground up?

  It doesn't really have a huge scaling potential does it? 
Why not? You don't think Pixar (800+ employees) and Dreamworks (1400+ employees) started out as large companies did you?

In fact, to further illustrate my point, I'll actually give you a rough timeline on how Disney started.

  1923 - Walt Disney animating on own, formed company with brother in August of that year
  1924 - Joined by Ub Iwerks and others from Kansas city
  1925 - Company size grows to 12
  1929 - Sound comes in, steamboat willie released
  1930 - Staff increased to 30
  1932 - More than 100 employees
  1934 - More than 200 employees, Work on first film starts (snow white)
  1935 - more than 400 employees
  1937 - more than 800 employees
  1939 - more than 1000 employees
So by 1939, they had only just released their first Cinema release, were working on 4 films concurrently (but had many small scale projects under their belt) and had essentially defined the entire field of animation for generations to come. In fact, a lot of the stuff they figured out back then is still applicable today.

What's even more startling is when you consider just how much they did, when each film at the time required approximately 2.5 million drawings to complete.

  Your output is constrained by your animation stable surely.
I'd say no, it really depends on how you set up the animation pipeline.

I've got a different model in mind. I don't want to say too much on how it works, but it has potential to create lots of content with a significantly smaller sized team (to start out with).

That's not to say I don't have aspirations to scale it, I do. I'm just focussing on building something from the ground up.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#44

I love the hell out of zombie movies but unless you're really going to do something unique it may end up being too cliche. I second the advice on just using another variation on the post-apocalyptic setting.

I'm just investigating the idea at the moment, I don't have my heart set on the zombie genre.

I guess I'm really trying to feel my way through various settings that could be technologically doable with a small-scale team. This is just one of the proposals, but it seems a good fit for the moment.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#46
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Listen. You need to read the comic book "The Walking Dead." It's an ongoing, episodic story about zombie's taking over the world. It's well-written. It's well-drawn. It's been published for over 5 years. If you're looking for source material or just want to see someone do episodic zombies "right" look no further.

Cheers for that. I haven't been in a comic book store for about 17 years, so I'll have to go check it out.

You don't need to go to a comic book store - my startup HeavyInk will sell you a graphic novel, or give you a subscription. 20% off list, 99 cent shipping.

Feel free to read the reviews first.

http://heavyink.com/title/355-Walking-Dead

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#47
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I'll be honest - Shaun of the Dead is the only one I've seen. I've always felt weird about zombie movies, because like Westerns, without having seen any they all feel very samey. So I wouldn't know where to start watching.

I think all genre movies are the same. It just takes good writing, and that usually means 1 in 10 are great, 2 in 10 are entertaining, the other 70% suck.

It also takes good direction. I appreciated that fact a lot more after Shaun of the Dead.

That said, it's hard to sort out the good stuff from the crap when you've seen nothing.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#48
In my mind the best zombie films are - Dawn of the Dead (modern version) - The first Resident Evil - 28 Days Later

The common theme in them is they are different and "non cheesy". I hate cheesy horror films (Scream made me laugh so hard ;)).

Dawn of the Dead has fast zombies in (Day of the Dead failed partly because they slowed down :() which is a great idea. The "gritty" camera work also works well with that (the sort of hand camera filmed look) speed as you really get the horror etc.

Resident Evil was just epic full stop. Verged on cheesy but elegantly avoided it. Not particularly scary but the sexy lead kicking ass = good :D Also it was somewhat intelligent - it explained the Zombies fairly logically (and mixed in an acutally good storyline - the memory loss etc.) and crucially kept them locked into one location. None of this "spreading across the world" thing. It could happen :D

28 Days Later is far and away one of the best. The Zombies only make up a small portion of the film and the rest focuses on humanity facing the end of life as they know it. It was an extremely good story (really, very very simple but hugely effective) and didnt push the reality enevlop too far.

So IMO what makes a good zombie flick?

- Realism (as far as possible)

- Good, sensible, logical story (it could happen!)

- No cheese (OMG were all gonna dieeee)

- Hot lead optional

- Gritty (camera work and writing)

Hope that helps :D

EDIT: oh yeh make it logical. Slow zombies are never really a threat - I always hate those films where they fail to avoid lumbering zombies. Please :(

Also, I never thought Shaun of the Dead would count. If it does this pips 28 Days Later as my fav zombie film. The writing/story is pure brilliance and the production is very very good. It nails it's genre perfectly.

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

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I used to be in the "Hollywood scene" and my son is a professional actor. Let me tell you this, now you and every small time director wannabe is making a zombie movie. And there are hundreds of wannabes in every city in America. Why do people do this? Cause it's cheap? Worst idea ever. If you want to make a movie it's because you have a story to tell. If your zombie movie is about zombies coming to life and killing e…

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not (the general tone of your comments in the past seems to suggest a general negative attitude), but I thought I'd address some of your points. Let me tell you this, now you and every small time director wannabe is making a zombie movie. Actually, I'm merely investigating the possibility of exploring the zombie theme. I'm putting together a digital animation startup and I'm looking…

"Which Starbucks can I find him working at then?"

This year, appearing in his 4th feature film at the ripe old age of 20. Now playing in Chicago theatre. Acting since the age of 8. Yes, you've seen his films. (Did you see me, too?)

Re: Poll: Do you like zombie movies?

#50
I find zombies uninteresting. They don't really provide anything to a story, other than a thing to run away from. Especially the recent biozombie movement -- the lesson here is "you cannot fight the zombies forever." Eventually you either have to hide, or you will become a zombie.

Not particularly uplifting; the idea is that you HAVE to give in to other people's base instincts, or else you must retreat from life. It's really just an adaptation on an Atlas Shrugged type theme.

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