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Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by virtualwhys »

flatline wrote: post #45
omarchowdhury wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't mistake the finger pointing to the moon for the moon.

There is no finger. There is no moon. This is the fundamental Zen breakdown of the problem, at least. In Theravadan buddhism, the self is like a stick hut standing in a field: you can break it down and deconstruct it stick by stick, and thereby attain Buddhahood. In Zen, there is no hut. You are Buddha, right here and now.

Right here, right now, what is Buddha?

The Zen "approach" cannot be explained, much like the teachings of Krishnamurti or Ramana Maharshi, or, as in the case of this thread, the psychedelic experience, or, as in the case of this life, oneself.

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Post by virtualwhys »

michaelochurch wrote: post #37
springishere wrote: post #30

This kind of thing seems, unwise, to say the least. If you value your brain functioning the way it does now, do not even think about this kind of thing. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against psychedelics, but this is not healthy and is unsafe for your brain. Most people who take a thumbprint never REALLY come back to their old selves. If you want a little psychedelic therapy session, just eat some fungus you can…

just eat some fungus you can find in the forest. It's natural, rarely dangerous, It'll teach you a lot, but it won't permanently change you unless you want it to. If you don't know what you're eating, that's very dangerous. Foraging mushrooms without knowing what they are is a terrible idea, because some are deadly. (I don't think that's what you meant, but in the rural US there are people who forage mushrooms, both…

cow patty shrooms: wash, boil water, make tea, take a walk, sit.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by militiaman21 »

jpdoctor wrote: post #49
PavlovsCat wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by wi…

> Also, what is "impaired cognition"? Compared to what, exactly? How about this for an operational definition: When you open your eyes and are seeing shit that isn't there, you're suffering from impaired cognition. It's really not that difficult, unless you want it to be. Edit: OK Fine. I give up: It's mysterious cosmic stuff that puts you in touch with the everlasting oneness of all humans and the universe. Good luc…

You sound very pretentious. How can you claim to have the ultimate end-all definition of "shit that isn't there"? The mere fact that we are humans with extremely limited sensory perception should be enough to prove that "open your eyes" is not a good enough method to defining reality.

I mean relax dude... that's just like... your... opinion, or whatever dude. :)

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Post by powertower »

The described LSD "thumbprint" sounds more like 10-30mg to me.

As a grain or two of table-top salt is about 1mg (*but this of course depends on the density of the substance).

Either way it sounds like a horrifying experience for anyone that's not ready. And also for those that are.

The first time I tried mushrooms, instead of 1 stem and a cap (of some fairly potent shrooms), I ate the entire bag.

Then I made the further mistake of trying to sleep it off. Let's just say that was a mistake as at least otherwise I would have remained slightly inside the real realm, even if it was melting apart.

What happened afterwards, as I fell asleep and at the same time was aware, while tripping (in the worst of ways), had me in a place you don't want to ever go.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by omarchowdhury »

nilved wrote: post #136
cthrowaway2 wrote: post #105

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we are neurons and synapses? is it not perhaps the case that neurons and synapses are simply arbitrary inputs into our true selves? which, like any input, could be configured, removed, or entirely replaced.

Yep, we are. No, that's not the case.

Well that just settles it. Thank you.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by cthrowaway2 »

nilved wrote: post #136
cthrowaway2 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we are neurons and synapses? is it not perhaps the case that neurons and synapses are simply arbitrary inputs into our true selves? which, like any input, could be configured, removed, or entirely replaced.

Yep, we are. No, that's not the case.

i didn't realize we were so intimately familiar with the source of human consciousness. i'd think, if our consciousness was conclusively just the sum of our synapses, we'd have stopped debating life after death by now.

i'd be happy to read more if you care to source.

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Post by cnp »

erock wrote: post #141
cnp wrote: post #96

For anyone who is curious (or skeptical) about the incredible potential for psychedelic use in a therapeutic setting, I highly recommend this read: http://www.salon.com/2011/09/28/the_new_lsd_cure/ Probably the best general article I've read on the subject in recent times; it's also very hopeful.

you can also read what happens when you take it too far http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/Skinner-Timeline.html http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/awareness-politics/73509-tee... http://www.vice.com/read/life-is-a-cosmic-giggle-803-v18n5 of course rumor has it he would take DMT via IV for 8 + hours several times a week. I can only imagine what that would do to someone's mind (hint it wouldn't be pretty)

Oh yeah, I've read that Vice article before. EVIL dude. I couldn't imagine anything worse, physical or otherwise.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by erock »

cnp wrote: post #158
erock wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can also read what happens when you take it too far http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/Skinner-Timeline.html http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/awareness-politics/73509-tee... http://www.vice.com/read/life-is-a-cosmic-giggle-803-v18n5 of course rumor has it he would take DMT via IV for 8 + hours several times a week. I can only imagine what that would do to someone's mind (hint it wouldn't be pretty)

Oh yeah, I've read that Vice article before. EVIL dude. I couldn't imagine anything worse, physical or otherwise.

a few years ago i read the account of what went down with the kidnapping, Truly horrible stuff there, highlights include ball stomping, injecting him with an unknown substance which still affects him (likely a parasite) and leaving him for dead in the middle of the desert. For some reason I can't find it, which is likely for the better

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Post by javajosh »

lucisferre wrote: post #25

I wonder if intelligent machines will infect themselves with severely disruptive but temporary algorithms (viruses) and believe they too understand the meaning of life the universe and everything.

Heh. Almost certainly, assuming that they have an analogue to "the pleasure of knowing" - a pleasure center that drugs like LSD seem to stimulate quite a lot (based on written texts like this). There is also, of course, "the pleasure of change", which probably really does have some good effects on cognition, assuming that it is real. To truly change one must become detached from the self, and most wise people believe that to be a Good Idea.

(Which brings up the interesting possibility of irrational attachment in artificial minds. I can easily imagine a panicked piece of software saying "No! Don't transfer me to that piece of silicon. This piece is me!" :)

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