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It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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It's all the fault of Aussies themselves - if they want to fix this, they simply need to ensure (through their lawmakers) that the first sale doctrine applies fairly as intended, and within a week there will be redistributors selling legal boxed Adobe software (imported from US) for decent prices.

It wouldn't be equal to USA prices, since VAT and some markup would apply, but if there is any competition whatsoever, there won't be a markup of $1000 for a single box.

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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I have always held off buying Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Lightroom for myself, because it is very expensive. One day about 2 years ago, I saw an ad somewhere, that I could buy a bundle of both pieces of software for 800USD (I think it was). Seems fair, I thought and went to buy it online in Adobe's shop. But as a European, I was forced to the store of my country (Denmark) and the price was at least double. I tried buying from the us shop (since no physical delivery was needed), but was rejected for using a Danish credit card.

I still don't own Photoshop and Lightroom and Adobe is out 800 USD.

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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What I never get about this and the differences in pricing in movies, music, books, branded clothes, etc. is that this is all tacitly approved by all the governments. That Nike or Adobe or whomever can stop people from buying it cheaper in one country and then selling it at a profit in another country is frankly bizarre. But then they'll throw a fit at each other if one country says 'no, you can't sell you're cheap b…

The government doesn't have much to do with it, it's all contract law. Adobe makes a deal with a local distributor -- we won't sell directly into your territory, we will label our goods so you can discriminate (e.g. not provide service or upgrades for "grey market" products). The real scandal is that the sftware (or hardware) company sells its products at a wholesale price to the local distributor that prices in supp…

The existence of a gray market should keep the local distributor (and Adobe's region-specific) pricing down though. If it goes too high, then people will favor the gray market.

So yes - local prices may be higher. But not that much higher.

The gray market doesn't depend on contract law, since an unauthorized distributor should be free to buy up inventory however it can (eg. pose as a customer). But this doesn't work with software, and that's the problem.

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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I've heard that setting up shop is quite expensive in Australia due to a number of factors, and that the online prices is matched up to the retail price to avoid hurting profits.

Starting a business in Australia is ridiculously expensive. In the UK it's £20 ( last time I looked ). In Australia it was $900 or so when I looked. Lots of regulations on this and that. My pet theory is that it started out militaristically and has stayed that way ever since.

You can get an ABN[1] and set up as a sole trader/partnership online completely free if you're an Australian citizen (I'm not sure whether you can if you're foreign).

I paid about $560 to set up my company (a company has an ACN[2] from the ASIC[3] and an ABN and TFN[4] from the ATO[5]) but if you do the paperwork yourself it's cheaper.

1. Australian Business Number 2. Australian Company Number 3. Australian Securities and Investment Commission 4. Tax File Number 5. Australian Tax Office

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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Same with cars, only the workaround is expensive or impossible. For example take a brand new Subaru wrx: US starts at $25,795 Australia starts at $44,377 In both cases the car needs to be imported and also falls under Australia's luxury car tax so the comparison is reasonably fair. The more expensive a car is the worse it gets (a Nissan gtr will set you back 170k+). Sure a little bit of this is first world problems,…

We've got some companies in Holland that take care of that problem. You buy the car abroad and have the companies strip them and replace luxery items with standard stuff. Car goes to customs, the price is estimated and a tax is paid. Car gets assembled with all the good stuff. (Most profitable for cars that are 1 year old). Tried to do this with a Harley davidson bike from NY to Holland. Failed because you really need someone on the other end (buyer you can trust).

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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Apple stuff is still about 10-20% more expensive and the refurbs are about 10% and older versions.

Really? Because price difference was always effectively a rounding error when I calculated US price + Australian GST vs Australian price. I haven't looked for a while though, having moved back to the UK last year.

when i looked six months ago it was

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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The same thing happens in the UK. Napster for example charges more than 50% more for a download service in the UK, than in the USA. Completely ridiculous for an internet based download service. I was going to subscribe until I learned this. Can't support business's gouging their clients.

Spotify is the same. $9.99 in the US, and £9.99 (US $15.55) in the UK.

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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Two main reasons. 1. Australia is a small market, so for a lot of things there are poor economies of scale and/or cozy oligopolies. 2. Exchange rates. Then along came: 3. Artificial market segmentation. Region encoding, per-country versions and so on. There's no technical reason for this, it's done simply because (thanks AUSFTA) it can be done. The artificial segmentation didn't used to be a big problem until the AUD…

You've got to wonder why they haven't tried artificial market segmentation between US States yet.

Anybody who lives near a state border will know which side of the border has cheaper taxes and will go there to buy things like cars and booze.

Re: It is cheaper to fly to US than buy Adobe software in Australia

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It's all the fault of Aussies themselves - if they want to fix this, they simply need to ensure (through their lawmakers) that the first sale doctrine applies fairly as intended, and within a week there will be redistributors selling legal boxed Adobe software (imported from US) for decent prices. It wouldn't be equal to USA prices, since VAT and some markup would apply, but if there is any competition whatsoever, th…

There's nothing stopping anyone from ordering from the US (eg. on amazon), apart from the extra GST (10%) added on top by aussie customs. On Amazon its only $2166 + 10% GST

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65167117-CS6-Master-Collection/d...

In fact you can get the software locally for as low as $3550 if you shop around - http://www.softwaresite.com.au/adobe-software-/69-adobe-cs6-...

The main issue is the RRP (recommended retail price) put out by the developer (Adobe) which is totally ludicrous. My favourite is Microsoft AU's official RRP for the Windows 8 Pro Upgrade at AU$399. In the US its $199.

In my opinion, home users tend to shop around more and will be able to spot a bargain, but business users will probably be the ones being ripped off.

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