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Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by TallboyOne »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #14
jpdoctor wrote: post #5

I note that "It's like tripping your balls off on LSD" is missing from the list. But, funny thing: It's the most accurate. Instead you get a bunch of gobbledygook about death, eternity, and direct messages from god. The fact that you might just be having an episode of impaired cognition does not actually enter your brain. Let's not make this more complicated than it is.

Anything with the phrase (paraphrasing) "but I must warn you, you must be surrounded by evolved people" sounds so incredibly condescending and pretentious it really shows how these people see themselves as superior to others, like your friend who travels a lot and brings it up all the time. Except his stories are rational and meaningful, while stories about tripping balls are so subjective, they're meaningless. Yes,…

Have you ever taken LSD? More than just a tiny amount? Look at your reply, and how you reacted to the article, and think about if someone would want to be around that during such an extremely sensitive and vulnerable time (tripping).

That's all it really means... not that people who take acid or drugs or any better than anyone else. It's just an openness of mind that doesn't really put labels on things and can just go with whats said. It's a state of mind that doesnt automatically as a knee jerk reaction shut someone elses (subjective) opinion down as to what wisdom they can learn in a state of ego-less-ness.

After all, you may think the article sounds pretentious or condescending, but to me I see just what it's saying in such a wonderful non-judgmental way. I think the fact that point might not occur to some is, in essence, exactly what its referring to. Kind of self reflexive :)

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Post by cnp »

samstave wrote: post #86
dhimes wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he was specifically targeting the use of the word 'evolved' instead of, say, 'experienced' (as in people who have tripped balls before).

Plenty of crazy people have experience tripping on LSD. That does not mean they have the experience with dealing with LSD in the way that is really god for you, your mind, your soul. Evolved is an appropriate word in every respect. I suspect that those who have some mental knee-jerk against it have not done LSD too much.

I agree completely. Once you do enough psychedelics you quite literally think and see differently, and if you're going to continue exploring --particularly at high doses-- you don't want to risk entering that place without being surrounded by those who have navigated it before and who you trust.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by cnp »

zensavona wrote: post #69
michaelochurch wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did this through the path of meditation, but I know others who have used psychedelics to similar ends. Based on what I've read and observed, the people who get real benefit out of psychedelics are those who are already fairly meditative people, who use them in reasonable settings (with people they trust) and know what they are doing. There clearly are people who are able to make good use of these chemicals, but the…

Who's talking about using LSD as a party drug? It's certainly not even slightly suggested in the posted article or this response.

I've actually known quite a lot of people who have used LSD to that end. The Mushroom, however, is a different, more spiritual journey that is very difficult to evade.

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Post by cnp »

s_baby wrote: post #88
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything with the phrase (paraphrasing) "but I must warn you, you must be surrounded by evolved people" sounds so incredibly condescending and pretentious it really shows how these people see themselves as superior to others, like your friend who travels a lot and brings it up all the time. Except his stories are rational and meaningful, while stories about tripping balls are so subjective, they're meaningless. Yes,…

>Yes, I'm sure it was a positive experience, but the idea that you can learn wisdom and maturity via chemistry, well, that idea never panned out. Instead you get the typical empty-head drug talk about "seeing god" and "being nothing." And for all the elaborate salesmanship, what do these people get in the end? They're extremely ineloquent and whatever wisdom is purported to be there, just doesn't seem to be there. Ps…

"They will give you "trans-rational" experiences but you still end up interpreting that experience through whatever cognitive constructs you already hold. If you're a fundamentalist christian then you're going to interpret the experience through those constructs. If you're an atheist you're going to interpret it through those constructs."

Haven't done much research, have you?

A simple glance at the literature shows how dramatic a shift psychedelic experiences can have on a person. Its a highly creative class of drugs, and thus tend to inspire creation, not conformity or general past-experience umbrella-like interpretations. Further, there is an incredible amount of research that supports positive changes in individuals suffering from depression, drug abuse, and alcoholism, largely because of the creative, perspective-changing nature of the experience.

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Post by gosu »

jpdoctor wrote: post #5

I note that "It's like tripping your balls off on LSD" is missing from the list. But, funny thing: It's the most accurate. Instead you get a bunch of gobbledygook about death, eternity, and direct messages from god. The fact that you might just be having an episode of impaired cognition does not actually enter your brain. Let's not make this more complicated than it is.

I generally agree with you, and find myself revolted by pseudo-(or not-pseudo-)-religious tripe of the sort in the OP.

But I also don't think that it's unreasonable to say that altering your manner of cognition for a while can cause you to reflect on yourself in a new way and realize something new.

In practice, though, I've never really seen this theory come to fruit. Having acid trips was really fun, but my cognition really was more impaired then altered, and I didn't learn or realize anything.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by cnp »

For anyone who is curious (or skeptical) about the incredible potential for psychedelic use in a therapeutic setting, I highly recommend this read:

http://www.salon.com/2011/09/28/the_new_lsd_cure/

Probably the best general article I've read on the subject in recent times; it's also very hopeful.

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Post by [deleted] »

tytyty wrote: post #68

I take psychedelics on a regular basis. Usually a couple of times a month. Although I've done several hundred micrograms (there is really no way of knowing) of LSD at once, I also really enjoy experimenting with smaller doses and casually micro-dosing on work days. I happen to be a software engineer and try to apply my knowledge of "machines" to the psychedelic experience. While I don't believe in anything supernatur…

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Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by s_baby »

cnp wrote: post #94
s_baby wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yes, I'm sure it was a positive experience, but the idea that you can learn wisdom and maturity via chemistry, well, that idea never panned out. Instead you get the typical empty-head drug talk about "seeing god" and "being nothing." And for all the elaborate salesmanship, what do these people get in the end? They're extremely ineloquent and whatever wisdom is purported to be there, just doesn't seem to be there. Ps…

"They will give you "trans-rational" experiences but you still end up interpreting that experience through whatever cognitive constructs you already hold. If you're a fundamentalist christian then you're going to interpret the experience through those constructs. If you're an atheist you're going to interpret it through those constructs." Haven't done much research, have you? A simple glance at the literature shows h…

Fact of the matter is set of mind and setting play a pivotal role in the surface content of a trip. You're deluding yourself if you think people don't often walk away with hand-wavey interpretations of their experience. My point is there is more to psychedelics than that edge case.

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Post by cnp »

While I'm certain this doesn't qualitatively compare to a thumbprint of LSD, I have had the most INTENSE experiences with pure DMT. So much so I'm very hesitant to ever consider doing anything within that class again.

Just like Strassman described in his research studies (http://www.rickstrassman.com/index.php?option=com_content&#3...), the "entity" / "alien" contact that people report is utterly inexplicable and real to those experiencing it, myself included, and consistent. Spaceships, abduction tables, 3000000-million-years-in-the-future technology, telepathic communication, and so on. Its beyond words, and it's terrifyingly real.

Honestly, I hesitate to even call DMT a psychedelic; its more like a time machine or teleportation device. Having done the whole gamut of psychedelics, I can, with complete certainly, say that this is something else entirely, and it needs to be further explored.

Re: Massive Dosing - the LSD Thumbprint

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Post by antoinevg »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #14
jpdoctor wrote: post #5

I note that "It's like tripping your balls off on LSD" is missing from the list. But, funny thing: It's the most accurate. Instead you get a bunch of gobbledygook about death, eternity, and direct messages from god. The fact that you might just be having an episode of impaired cognition does not actually enter your brain. Let's not make this more complicated than it is.

Anything with the phrase (paraphrasing) "but I must warn you, you must be surrounded by evolved people" sounds so incredibly condescending and pretentious it really shows how these people see themselves as superior to others, like your friend who travels a lot and brings it up all the time. Except his stories are rational and meaningful, while stories about tripping balls are so subjective, they're meaningless. Yes,…

I think that rather than viewing it as condescending and pretentious it may help you to use the following analogy:

"If you were to start hacking on the Glasgow Haskell Compiler's internals it will be a profound experience but I must warn you, if you are not fortunate enough to be surrounded by highly experienced older people who have been working with the codebase for many years and have offered to assist you, then you are going to have a very bad time."

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