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Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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Before this devolves into a how-uptight-is-this-person-really? discussion, I was impressed with the OP author's levelheaded, friendly response to someone who reportedly made, IMO, a pretty egregious slide: https://twitter.com/johannakoll/status/300645432013516800

> "We are hiring fashion interns" and the photo on the slide shows girls in underwear. Disappointing. (Upside: quite a few girls at #seedhack)"

The word sexist is going to lose all meaning if people throw it about like this.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#52
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People laugh when they hear a "racist" joke because it's funny. Maybe race related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about race somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

I am still waiting for the out cry from "dumb things white people do" posts that pop up

what about teh whitez?

Prejudice against privileged groups isn't met with as much outrage as prejudice against unprivileged groups, and this is as it should be. Both are harmful, but the harm of the former is tiny in comparison to the harm of the latter.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#53
post #7

People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

People laugh when they hear a "racist" joke because it's funny. Maybe race related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about race somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

here's Louis CK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#54

We see these kind of stories on Hacker News kinda regularly. And you'd think that it's getting a little ridiculous. But time and again, we still have people in our community that just don't get it. So that's why I upvoted this article. Let's all keep drilling this into our community until it finally sticks.

drilling this into our community

I see what you did there.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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post #13
post #7

People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

> but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? Why?

Yep, all the jokes should be censored for fear of causing offence.

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#56
post #4

For those who think it doesn't matter, and that there is no sexism and that women aren't be discriminated against due to the pure fact of their gender, be aware that there have been double blinded scientific studies that show that if you change the name of a CV/resume to a female name when applying for science jobs, they don't get as much/as good offers. If this was question about whether a new drug worked or not, th…

>For those who think it doesn't matter, and that there is no sexism and that women aren't be discriminated against due to the pure fact of their gender, be aware that there have been double blinded scientific studies that show that if you change the name of a CV/resume to a female name when applying for science jobs, they don't get as much/as good offers.

Then maybe try to fix that instead of complaining about bikinis in powerpoint presentations?

Would anyone raise even an eyebrow if a woman sliped a sexy male model photo in a slide?

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

#58
post #7

People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

There is a problem with categorising jokes. I'm very much in to comedy, I sort of almost study it. Too often people confuse a simple word play joke with sexism, racism, etc, when its not.

To be fair, the examples given are, I think, sexist, and there for titillation. These examples aren't jokes, they are, er illustration.

On the other hand, women are beautiful to look at, and using women in this way does, I'm afraid, help bind information in to the male head. That is why sex is used so much in advertising. Until men are completely de-sexed in some creepy way, I don't see this changing much.

I dunno, I just don't like the idea of giving up being a "man" and having man feelings. And I feel like this sort of feminism is all about women being women at the expense of men being men. None of that means women should be mis-treated in the work place, underpaid, or even slightly harassed. But I do think a bit of understanding both ways is required.

I say drop the stuff about images, and make damn sure women are paid properly and taken professionally seriously.

Is that not enough?

Re: Sexism is not funny, let's stop laughing

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post #50
post #7

People laugh when they hear a "sexist" joke because it's funny. Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places - I am not sure - but there should be room for jokes about genders somewhere, right? I mean, where does this political correctness stop?

> Maybe gender related jokes don't have a place at conferences and work places > I mean, where does this political correctness stop It seems really obvious to me. At work, at a conference, you don't tell racist, sexist, ableist etc jokes. What you do outside work is up to you. (But, if you do it outside work and in public it may complicate things if you have a work related discrimination problem.) > political correct…

>"Political correctness" is often a buzzword used to dismiss people who want to discuss this. Other, better, words exist. "Politeness" is one.

"Freedom of expression" is another, though.

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