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Re: Hack of The Sexes

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post #4

> The gender battle has existed for as long as we have. An unending competition as to which sex is better. This is no different, we're just changing the rules and bringing in a few different twists with this contest. Wow. No thank you. This kind of thing might be fun and innocent if we were not already living in an industry rife with sexism, inequality, and bro-culture rudeness.

I do agree, but also feel like ANYTHING AT ALL to encourage more women to join in on things like this is a good thing.

Sometimes people need a sense of competition to step up to the plate.

But yea... This is a little too close to being distasteful, considering the way things are. Its a slippery slope though.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#12
I am very confused about this event. My initial reaction was horror, and I think Twitter agreed [1].

Then I looked into who was behind this, assuming it was a hoax. One of the organizers appears [2] to be Sarah Herbert [3] the CEO of Curious Pixel, a brand/design shop in Kansas City. It seems that Sarah and Curious Pixel are very supportive of women in technology [4].

So, I think this is just a sad case of a well-meaning person creating a tone-deaf message and ultimately being devoured by the Internet.

[1] https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=hackofthesexes&src...

[2] https://twitter.com/hackofthesexes/status/300007467759304706

[3] https://twitter.com/SarahSHebert

[4] http://www.curiouspixel.com/investing-wisely-in-the-success-...

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#13
post #4

> The gender battle has existed for as long as we have. An unending competition as to which sex is better. This is no different, we're just changing the rules and bringing in a few different twists with this contest. Wow. No thank you. This kind of thing might be fun and innocent if we were not already living in an industry rife with sexism, inequality, and bro-culture rudeness.

Its like you took the words out of my fingers.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#14
post #4

> The gender battle has existed for as long as we have. An unending competition as to which sex is better. This is no different, we're just changing the rules and bringing in a few different twists with this contest. Wow. No thank you. This kind of thing might be fun and innocent if we were not already living in an industry rife with sexism, inequality, and bro-culture rudeness.

Maybe the top prize could be that everyone has to read Difference and Dominance.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#15
Okay, sit down, and let me elaborate on why this is a bad idea.

I was going to post a kneejerk reaction, namely "This idea is bad and you should feel bad", but that wouldn't help the discussion.

So let me assume you mean the best. Let me assume you want to encourage a better gender balance. And let me tell you that this is a terrible way to go about it.

Aside from the points elaborated in other comments -- and let me stress the "industry rife with sexism, inequality, and bro-culture rudeness" -- this flies in the face of the hacker ethic. To wit:

* Hackers should be judged by their hacking, not criteria such as degrees, age, race, sex, or position

Now, I can hear the defense mechanism riling up right now: "But wait," you say, "we're not judging participants based on their gender, we're just teaming them up that way. The judging will be fair!" And I believe you believe that, with the best of intentions. Nonetheless, you've automatically broken the blindness and impartiality of the judges, simply because they know that it's an uneven distribution. Think of it like a scientific experiment where everyone knows where the placebo is. It doesn't matter who wins; everyone loses, because one side will claim the other got some special consideration. Imagine if you did the same thing, only with college-grads vs. self-taught hackers. If the judge is from Stanford, you lose.

At best, this will fizzle, or go off unremarkably. At worst, you're actively making worse exactly the problem you're trying to fix. At best, this is a trite idea ('boys vs girls' is overdone, schoolyard, and simplistic). At worst, it's actively discriminatory.

Be more creative. You recognize a problem, but this isn't the answer.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#16
Oh gods. Oh, dear, gods.

First things first, the word they're looking for is gender, not sex. Sex is one's biology and matters in a handful of cases (such as certain medical procedures and intimate relationships) where as gender is how one presents one's self. Gender is the thing that they are attempting to differentiate by here. And there aren't just two either. What is a potential participant is neither male nor female? Or both? Congrats, you've just managed to alienate a whole bunch of people who've just had it reinforced that they've no place in society.

Second, the reaction to a "gender battle" shouldn't be something to be applauded or goaded on. Placing people in a group based on their gender and pitting them against each other is at best going to affect the decisions of the judges based on pre-existing prejudcies (conscious or otherwise) and at worst reinforce the ideals that lead to comments like "Why are you out of the kitchen?".

So yeah. This is a bad thing and the organisers should feel bad.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#17
post #12

I am very confused about this event. My initial reaction was horror, and I think Twitter agreed [1]. Then I looked into who was behind this, assuming it was a hoax. One of the organizers appears [2] to be Sarah Herbert [3] the CEO of Curious Pixel, a brand/design shop in Kansas City. It seems that Sarah and Curious Pixel are very supportive of women in technology [4]. So, I think this is just a sad case of a well-mea…

A predictable response, but while I see the point regarding the "tone-deafness" of the message, I think it's also indicative that the attitude behind our "culture" has gone too far towards "holy crap anything that could possibly make anyone feel left out or even appear discriminatory to even the most oversensitive individuals must be utterly terrible and unconscionable."

Your research, to me, makes that a pretty safe bet. A woman who's big on females in tech helps organize it, and without bothering to find this out, everyone screams horrible endemic life-ending sexism at the sight of it. Oops.

I'm not suggesting we shouldn't decry discrimination. I am suggesting we should think and ask before we decide to burn people at the stake for attempting to have a little fun at the expense of a topic some people can't seem to deal with in a moderate and rational manner.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#19
post #12

I am very confused about this event. My initial reaction was horror, and I think Twitter agreed [1]. Then I looked into who was behind this, assuming it was a hoax. One of the organizers appears [2] to be Sarah Herbert [3] the CEO of Curious Pixel, a brand/design shop in Kansas City. It seems that Sarah and Curious Pixel are very supportive of women in technology [4]. So, I think this is just a sad case of a well-mea…

Even assuming the best of intent w.r.t. to tech gender relations, promoting (cis) women in tech at the expense of intersex/genderqueer people in tech is simply not cool.

Re: Hack of The Sexes

#20
post #4

> The gender battle has existed for as long as we have. An unending competition as to which sex is better. This is no different, we're just changing the rules and bringing in a few different twists with this contest. Wow. No thank you. This kind of thing might be fun and innocent if we were not already living in an industry rife with sexism, inequality, and bro-culture rudeness.

I do agree, but also feel like ANYTHING AT ALL to encourage more women to join in on things like this is a good thing. Sometimes people need a sense of competition to step up to the plate. But yea... This is a little too close to being distasteful, considering the way things are. Its a slippery slope though.

> I do agree, but also feel like ANYTHING AT ALL to encourage more women to join in on things like this is a good thing.

Why assume the only effect could be a positive one? It's possible for an idea to discourage women from joining in on things, and furthermore encourage women who've already joined in to feel demotivated. This seems like it might well be one of those ideas.

Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politicians_syllogism.

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