Live data from Hacker News

Facebook sued over 'like' button

bbc.co.uk

31–40 of 45 posts

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#31

This is getting ridiculous by the minute. Being a software developer, I fear sooner or later I'll be a target. I feel it's just a matter of time. But worst of all is the feeling of helplessness of it all: it's a big dog fight. Small ones either have to run with tail between legs (pay up, give up, throw work away) or fight to eventually get crushed (by the outcome or by being out of financial breath in the process). I…

Go to a country outside of their jurisdiction, either physically or virtually (depends mostly on destination climate).

If you have even one American customer you're subject to these rules and ridiculous software patents.

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#33

What should a 2-3 person startup do if they find themselves in such a situation (i.e. get sued by a patent troll)?

This makes me wonder if there is a market for patent troll insurance. Pay a small monthly fee and get legal protection or money to hire your own counsel in the event of a lawsuit. It seems to be a pain point that small startups worry about, since it can be pretty deadly to a busines, even if they are innocent.

Ah, you mean what Intellectual Ventures was supposed to be?

Pay a small membership fee to have access to their "technology" as well as immunity from being sued with regard to their patents. It's not unlike the mob, though, having to pay a 'protection fee'.

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#35

This is getting ridiculous by the minute. Being a software developer, I fear sooner or later I'll be a target. I feel it's just a matter of time. But worst of all is the feeling of helplessness of it all: it's a big dog fight. Small ones either have to run with tail between legs (pay up, give up, throw work away) or fight to eventually get crushed (by the outcome or by being out of financial breath in the process). I…

Lobby. Really. Be the guy who writes letters to his congress person and senator. All the time, every time. Form groups. Stop complaining about it on an internet forum, get together in real life, and talk to people. Not "random like-minded techies". Go meet with your senators or congressmen. They take meetings from constituents. You'll probably end up talking to an LA or something, but if you all do it, it'll start to have an impact. Tell them exactly how much money you are spending, and how much time you are wasting, worrying about this stuff. Form lobbying groups, and advocate.

There are other effective things than the above, it's just an example.

One of the reasons I became a lawyer, instead of just a software engineer, is because it was clear to me, even 15 years ago, that patents were going to destroy our industry.

It was also clear that the majority of software engineers would do one of three things:

1. Pretend it did not matter.

2. Dismiss the threat until it became huge.

3. Complain about it on Usenet (now "random blogs, internet forums, and social media sites").

It took a long time to get to the point it is now. It will, realistically, take a long time to get to a better point. Yes, everyone has a quick fix solution, like "ban software patents" or "pray the federal circuit/supreme court saves us from years of bad policy and legal decisions". These are all long shots. They may happen. But it's all short term plays. You need the long term play as well, in the background, in case these don't work out.

People have this weird idea that the content industry/etc simply backed up a truck of money to congress people and got the laws they wanted. Instead, they spend 20+ years meeting with politicians, advocating their position, forming lobbying groups, and slowly winning politicians over. They showed (mostly fake) economic benefit, had studies done, kept harping them over and over. Certainly they donated, but if you think it was simply because they gave some congressman some money, you don't understand how things get done.

If you want to stop software patents, you need to take this long term approach as well. Don't get me wrong, I hope the supreme court reigns in the federal circuit as well. But if you want real change, it often takes time. At least in the current world, there is a 0% chance this change will happen if the only action is to write comments about news stories on internet sites.

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#36

Tim Berners-Lee should have patented "text pages over a network," dude would be a bajillionaire.

Also the World Wide Web would never have happened because who would want to marry themselves to a platform encumbered by so many patents?

So you're saying that patents can be destructive to markets???

Man, I wish someone in the US government agreed with you on thatOH WAIT http://research.stlouisfed.org/wp/more/2012-035

Not that a single report means anything for policy, I just saw this on HN a few days ago and thought it was relevant to that point.

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to a country outside of their jurisdiction, either physically or virtually (depends mostly on destination climate).

If you have even one American customer you're subject to these rules and ridiculous software patents.

How/why is that?

Let's say that the legal entity is registered in Switzerland or China or Russia for that matter.

This company sells some goods [virtual/physical] through a web site [for example using Amazon 1-Click patent] to a person, who happens to be an American citizen, with payment made by credit card.

How this company will become "subject to these rules and ridiculous software patents"? In which court will this case be processed? How the court decision will be enforced?

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to a country outside of their jurisdiction, either physically or virtually (depends mostly on destination climate).

If you have even one American customer you're subject to these rules and ridiculous software patents.

You might be subject, but you won't have a judgement enforced against you.

Re: Facebook sued over 'like' button

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have even one American customer you're subject to these rules and ridiculous software patents.

You might be subject, but you won't have a judgement enforced against you.

If you're "doing business" in the United States, you're subject to those laws. This is just how it works.

If you're sued and you don't defend yourself, you will probably lose by default, so you can have a judgement enforced against you. This might preclude you from travelling in to or even through the United States.

Post reply on HN